Server dying?

[arsenalpow]

You forgot this one:

4) live a totally unhealthy lifestyle that revolves around the game. Neckbeard harder than the other neckbeards

[maskedmelonpai]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixed that for you

you mean liek kiting CT around for half an hour while recovering from a wipe?

it not true though. you didnt need to cheat to get FTE and the guild that ended up with the kill didn't need to cheat to get it.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot this one:

4) live a totally unhealthy lifestyle that revolves around the game. Neckbeard harder than the other neckbeards

not true neither though and I explained why. there already lotta people like that in other guilds and they the ones who get mad they losing.


the two things that I listed are really the only differentiators between winning guilds and losing ones. every guild have some people with lotta playtime, but none really have a higher percent of those people than any other. it a matter of how effective those people are and how well the rest the people in they guild support them. that it.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Xanaxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you shitting me? Do you know how many times and for how long dragons are in in ToV all fucking day that CSG could go get? Once again nobody is stopping you guys from killing anything. Even in the FTE running days, there would be 15 people on the line, 6 dragons in window and NOT 1 CSG running. Yet on the forums, it was whine whine whine or /petition /petition /petition. WTF dude. Take some responsibility

Maybe I've just only been around on A/A poopsock days and I've missed the days where you guys are leaving up all the merbs, but every time I've been in ToV getting timers, I walk in to a bunch of A/A just sitting at the zonein and y'all pull mobs within 60 seconds of them spawning. I'm talking specifically about the more entry-level named in the zone such as Telk, Doze, Eashen - you know, the sorts of mobs a less experienced and less geared guild would want to cut their teeth on. Oh you guys left Vulak up for a few hours while you cleared the rest of the zone? Amazing, can't wait to bring a casual guild/alliance to try to compete on that. Heck, even lesser targets outside of ToV, I can't count the number of times we've tried to rush to the mob within minutes of it spawning and here comes Aftermath with half the people to FTE the mob before we get a chance.

Now look, I'm not complaining. I know some are, but I'm not. I get it, that's just the way the game is. But at least get your facts straight. Don't act like TOV is just asking to be raided and the only thing stopping CSG from rolling in pixels is their laziness or something. Awakened was cool about CSG coming in and doing LTK and Feshlak yesterday during the Aftermath ban, and I'm pretty sure they cleaned up the entire zone in the time it took us to learn and kill those mobs. If both A/A had been there and weren't interested in playing nice? You've got to be kidding me if you think we would have gotten those kills. As others have said, we go for targets where we feel we have a reasonable chance of competing. Are we going to go for the mob that 9/10 times A/A will FTE first, and that other 1/10 we will wipe because we've never done it before and then we lose the FTE anyway? Surely you can understand why not everyone would want to spend their time that way. Or maybe you can't, doesn't matter I guess.

So yeah, someone asked why the server is "dying"? Most people came back with the intention of revisiting (or seeing for the first time) old content from back in the day. A lot of us, not all - but a lot, now have jobs/families/responsibilities and don't feel like poopsocking for 16 hours straight. A lot of those people reach a certain point where their options are neglect their real life for pixels or stop progressing their toon / roll an alt to do the 1-60 grind again. Some people choose the poopsock life, some roll alts, and some just get bored and stop logging back in. This isn't something new: every MMO reaches a point where people stop playing until the next expansion comes out because they've done all the content they can and they're bored. Maybe if Luclin came out that would help but I'm pretty sure the staff has said they aren't doing that and I know some people just aren't interested in Luclin - and if they are, they've probably swapped to Agnarr where Luclin is a guaranteed thing within a few months whereas on P99 you'll most likely never see it at all.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awakened was cool about CSG coming in and doing LTK and Feshlak yesterday during the Aftermath ban

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

Very cool and charitable to let you guys kill LTK though.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know why Awakened let you guys kill Fesh? They needed somebody to kill him for them so they could kill Vulak. They conceded 2 Feshlaks because they trained us with him last week and were going to possibly eat a 10 day but weren't going to concede 2 because that is how petty things are at the top. They only conceded 2 once we got our 10 day and quite literally needed you guys to kill it for them.

I figured there was a less-than-charitable reason (and if I'm not mistaken, letting us have LTK was part of this deal - you kill Feshlak for us, we let you have LTK), but the point remains. We would have never been able to kill Feshlak if we had not been ALLOWED to kill Feshlak.

And that's the simple reality for all of ToV right now. Paul had it right when he said even if a mob is "left up" in ToV, that mob is no more available to the lower guilds than if it was already dead. If we formed up to try to take a ToV mob, A/A would be there immediately and would have that mob long before we were able to figure it out.

[arsenalpow]

So yeah, someone asked why the server is "dying"? Most people came back with the intention of revisiting (or seeing for the first time) old content from back in the day. A lot of us, not all - but a lot, now have jobs/families/responsibilities and don't feel like poopsocking for 16 hours straight. A lot of those people reach a certain point where their options are neglect their real life for pixels or stop progressing their toon / roll an alt to do the 1-60 grind again.

Pretty much, that's why agnarr and phinny are successful because you can casually raid on a healthy schedule. You get to experience content without the drama.

[mefdinkins]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But by being member of those guilds it shows that you are not only fine with how some of the members/leadership break the rules and act but also supporting it.

I think this is an incredibly naive view of the game. I am 100% fine with the way Awakened ensures compliance with server rules and I have a great deal of respect for our senior leadership. Players like Eratani and Breaken help make P99 a better place for sure, especially while trying to counterbalance some of the insanity in the current raid scene. There's no incentive to break the rules on P99. Why risk 10 days of mobs for any single mob? Awakened has kicked players who violated server rules. Awakened gives DKP for 'training sessions.' We have a recruitment period and requirements that ensure our players are 'good people' and up to speed. I received about as much training / informational materials while joining Awakened as I have before starting new jobs. On multiple occasions we've stopped any raid activity until checking in with Sirken. On multiple occasions we've lost mobs to other guilds because we weren't comfortable engaging under the circumstances or in gray areas. We've conceded mobs with no one else in zone. We've also extended olive branches and done things like not contest Dain, Yeli, CT, LTK, and Feshlak this past weekend.

I have attended nearly 700 raids with Awakened and I have never once heard leaders knowingly propose a course of action that was against the server rules. We've also made on the fly decisions based on our interpretation of rules and based on as much information as we could gather at the time (fraps etc). The rules are not as clear as we'd like and scenarios are not as transparent as we'd like (why did a mob warp? what happened? who casted that spell? how the hell did that person get on aggro list) and we've taken full responsibility for those decisions and any punishment that stemmed from them.

I think it's a cop out to say, "every member of AW/AM are evil, that is why we don't compete."

[raato]

Originally Posted by maskedmelonpai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean liek kiting CT around for half an hour while recovering from a wipe?

Dunno when this has happened, but pretty sure if you are talking about CSG they conceded it without anyone having to ask for it or provide any hard evidence that it has happened. And half an hour seems kinda exaggeration since we all know that if you kite it even 10s to wrong direction someone will start shouting "concede!".

I mean more like how you tag agro from other guilds kite and spam bladestopper to steal agro from the kite and bring mobs inside non-leash range of CT when other guild is engaged to CT. Or when you FTE CT with 25ppl, so you have just enough to keep everyone alive and stall a good while so more people have time to log in, then log out and clusterfuck train everyone in the zone while most of your raid camps out before the train hits because they know its about to hit, then log back in and kill CT while other raid is recovering from the wipe. Just to mention few.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelonpai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

server pop oscillate. it do that. i dunno why, it just do. don't much matter if it stay down or not because I have fun with it. if pop falls to a level that i can't have no fun nomore, then i probably stop playing.

<--- this casual though didn't get much of any game time this weekend, but im not coming in here to complain that it others who did play are gonna be levels aheada me, or got to kill dragons. why? because if I had wanted, i could have logged in to kill dragons. there is NOTHING stopping ANYONE from experiencing ALL content on this server except you own prejudices (or personality if you a insufferable douchebag).

you wanna experience all the cool stuff in the game? make a winning team. you team not winning? make it better or join a winning one. tribal fidenilty is NOT inherently virtuous and the fact that you team is losing don't make it anymore so :/

honestly though, if you wanna make you team top notch there just a couple things that differentiate the top guilds from the rest:

1. mobilization
2. clickies

it shouldn't take an hour and a half to prep for a pull. you don't need one person to say how to make groups. you do t even need to worry about making groups. you need a tank and a ch chain, which involve pressing one button every 10sec+delay and everyone else just need to be there ASAP (don't show up 10min late looking for port, park yourself beforehand). then everyone just need to get the buffs they need and and have clickies available for oh crap moments.

it SUPER simple, but it far more convenient to blame the inability to clear those relatively low hurdles on a nefarious enemy who cannot be beaten.

yeah, you DO need a small group of people though who can dedicate a good chunk of time to facilitating it, OR a very large group who are willing to donate a little time. when you got everyone comtributing a little, it make a huge difference. yeah, maybe I don't feel like camping a level 20 Orc in highpass, but you know what? i can do it while watching a show if it help my guild a little. it don't take a lot when everyone do a little.

Highly disappointed in this post Melon!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought for SURE you had a new word you pulled out that I never read before, only to look it up and find you had simply mispelled "fidelity!"

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