Drusella Player Agreement?

[Teppler]

If you're holding down mobs and maintaining a presence in a room, you are holding that room as a camp. If a rare 24 hour mob spawns in that room that you are holding, it should be yours. It would be a major encroachment for anyone else to come in that room and start killing as long as you are keeping things down in a time sensitive manner.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lucan wasnt always a camp on P99 neither was DS. Someone arbitrarily declared Lucan as a camp one day despite nothing about it resembling an Everquest camp besides the simple “waiting” part.

Will repeat just cause it “used to be different” doesnt mean thats the way it works today. That “someone” you are referencing was a gm who was tired of people rules lawyering/bickering about lucan ( People arguing hes fte) and just said heres how it is.

So looks like the options are go thru the same thing as what went on with lucan which will lead gms to the same exact ruling or just go with the obvious precedent from the beginning. I know which im choosing!

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're holding down mobs and maintaining a presence in a room, you are holding that room as a camp. If a rare 24 hour mob spawns in that room that you are holding, it should be yours. It would be a major encroachment for anyone else to come in that room and start killing as long as you are keeping things down in a time sensitive manner.

No one shows up to demand that the player leaves the room tho, nor will anyone try to “claim” the mobs you have been killing.

But an npc that manifests on its on is rarely something that players can claim as theirs just by sitting there. You cant claim VT, VD, Gloridain, Scout Charisa, Ragefire, Phinny, Estrella etc etc as a camp. Do people claim angry or shady goblin as camps? What about Venril Sathirs remains?

You guys love picking and choosing when camping rules apply and how they arbitrarily can be applied.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will repeat just cause it “used to be different” doesnt mean thats the way it works today. That “someone” you are referencing was a gm who was tired of people rules lawyering/bickering about lucan ( People arguing hes fte) and just said heres how it is.

So looks like the options are go thru the same thing as what went on with lucan which will lead gms to the same exact ruling or just go with the obvious precedent from the beginning. I know which im choosing!

So why is DS different, no one but players who wish to sit there for 12+ hours feels it should be a camp. Like Scout etc one day it just took enough people agreeing w how the spawn should be handled.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So why is DS different, no one but playerslaw
M
lk who wish to sit there for 12+ hours feels it should be a camp. Like Scout etc one day peoit just took enough people agreeing w how the spawn should be handled.

You want to change a precedent because player agreements can be reached? Fine - do what we did at shady goblin and get every player to agree that ds is fte and have it work consistently and publish it on the forums and boom theres your player agreement.

[Wonkie]

It's a 50k item, of course there will be competition

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to change a precedent because player agreements can be reached? Fine - do what we did at shady goblin and get every player to agree that ds is fte and have it work consistently and publish it on the forums and boom theres your player agreement.

Im not trying to change a thing, just pointing out the inconsistencies on why it really shouldnt be considered a camp.

I understand shit is hard to change and I dont care personally which way DS is handled.

But its laughable that people are beating their chests w very thin lines of what makes her a camp.

[aaezil]

Argument for being a camp:
Same as lucan who is the most mechanically similar spawn in the game

Argument for not being a camp:
Scout roll? (Idk why you said that)
Badain ( 3 days with variance)
VT/VD (not mechanically similar - huge windows)

Sorry i tried but i just dont see the not a camp argument.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're holding down mobs and maintaining a presence in a room, you are holding that room as a camp. If a rare 24 hour mob spawns in that room that you are holding, it should be yours. It would be a major encroachment for anyone else to come in that room and start killing as long as you are keeping things down in a time sensitive manner.

Thank you for furthering my point as you can “maintain” a presence on any of these self spawning mobs by standing at the spawn point and they will manifest eventually.

Sure I cannot kill the mob I want if I dont clear the room but isnt that the choice the players have to make when how to engage an encounter? Some encounters you pull somewhere some you fight where they spawn, its EQ you find your way to accomplish the goal.

Maintaining a presence should be related and coincide w the reasons that the mob you are “camping” spawns, not simply giving mob rights to whoever stood in the room first, mobs have spawn points. DS specific you can wait in her corner FD and be chatting entire window aka the entire 23.59 hours shes not alive, is that not being present?

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for furthering my point as you can “maintain” a presence on any of these self spawning mobs by standing at the spawn point and they will manifest eventually.

Sure I cannot kill the mob I want if I dont clear the room but isnt that the choice the players have to make when how to engage an encounter? Some encounters you pull somewhere some you fight where they spawn, its EQ you find your way to accomplish the goal.

Maintaining a presence should be related and coincide w the reasons that the mob you are “camping” spawns, not simply giving mob rights to whoever stood in the room first, mobs have spawn points. DS specific you can wait in her corner FD and be chatting entire window aka the entire 23.59 hours shes not alive, is that not being present?

Again for the most mechanically similar mob in the game (lucan) just being fd in the room does not give you camp rights - belongs to the person clearing the room