List Integrity

[Veeshan31]

Wow so it looks like Grakken and Masterize are confirmed scumbags. Ill make sure to never help them out with anything. Nice job you cowards. I hope you never get a manastone.

Its people like them that make me really hate this community. Masterize even twisted Rogeans words. "He never expected people like you" talking about the guy that was #1 on list. No Masterize, you idiot. He never expected people like YOU. That would purposefully not help in order to bully someone off the list.

[Sarkhan]

Originally Posted by unleashedd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if i show up to heal as a cleric, am last on list, and then am basically abandoned (for whatever reason), i am shit out of luck although am on top of list now???

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except I believe it's been said that blocking the list from progressing because you show up and can't kill the mob and refuse to engage, you can be petitioned for that

How is Corvax blocking the list from progressing? Literally anyone can come and engage it. He's even offering to team up to take it down.

[Modwolf]

Originally Posted by Veeshan31 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow so it looks like Grakken and Masterize are confirmed scumbags. Ill make sure to never help them out with anything. Nice job you cowards. I hope you never get a manastone.

Its people like them that make me really hate this community. Masterize even twisted Rogeans words. "He never expected people like you" talking about the guy that was #1 on list. No Masterize, you idiot. He never expected people like YOU. That would purposefully not help in order to bully someone off the list.

[Rooj]

I doubt very seriously Crovax is the first person or the last to show up at one of these camps being unable to solo it. If the camps are so popular and there's almost always several people there to help kill the mob, no one is ever going to assume that they'll have to be able to solo it. And as it's been mentioned, the rules never say anything about having to be able to solo it. Read the first responses to the thread here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=337066
Crovax was willing to do his part at the camp, but others weren't. If anything the others are absolutely the problem here, being the ones who are CHOOSING to not help the list progress. However there doesn't seem to be any rules regarding participation either, other than perhaps Llandris's post, so /shrug. So I guess the list just sits there until people start showing up to help. If I were high enough level, I'd have come there and helped.

[lituviel]

So to make it clear I am Masterize and I actually engaged the mob to clear the drama 20 minutes after arriving and understanding the situation.

Crovax who was waiting FD and not doing anything for more than 2Hours didn't even bother accept group, did not bother answer my messages and not even a thank when we killed his PH.


To me it is still logic that you want to claim an Item you have to be able to solo the camp. Specially in this case.
If you can't solo it and REQUIRE help of others than you should be able to share the loot with a roll, like anything else.
Or this rule need to be stated by a GM or someone I don't know.

I ended up helping because it makes sense to restart the rotation for the sake of the server, and it was a succesfull move. Even if now grakken is still not helping and I understand his position.

We're here about to help each other and have fun.

To me an adjustement is necessary, I'm not sure if a timer is a good choice on mob spawn with a boot of the list in the end.
A dedicated rule (as many other on the server... ) should do it since people are again abusing system.

[WaffleztheAndal]

So if it’s working as intended that Crovax shows up to a camp he can’t handle and is still entitled to the next manastone that drops, this is really just manastone welfare/charity. I never thought I’d say this, but man Red seems attractive about now.

[nicemace]

Did you read the initial information? It's always been the case and is very clear. Do not confuse list with camp.

It's pretty much under the understanding that people shouldn't be dicks to each other. If there is a list, there is a group capable of killing the mob. Don't be dicks, no problemo.

[Cuktus]

Waiting 18 hours+ to have your group die and then have people claim "sucks to be you, /quit loser" is just insane to me. Ya know, all that time, just poof, its gone? It seems fairly reasonable to me to expect there are going to be enough people at any give them to delete EE without much issue, yeah?

That said, "Help yourself, help /list 1" is also pretty crazy. Why should I help someone who shouldn't be here? If you can't handle the mob, you can't handle the mob. No killing, no looting, leave. This ain't your loot.

Writing this out, what's fair, what ain't, I think I have made up my mind. The server is for a "Classic Experience", yes? In classic, were people more friendly/helpful/less greedy (in general) or were people more solo minded/self minded? If we think friendly, then everyone needs to help kill /list mobs. If we thinking folks were more about solo, then start booting people from /list if the mob stays up too long.

Just my 2cp.

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by WaffleztheAndal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if it’s working as intended that Crovax shows up to a camp he can’t handle and is still entitled to the next manastone that drops, this is really just manastone welfare/charity. I never thought I’d say this, but man Red seems attractive about now.

How many people have shown up thus far being unable to solo the camp? There is almost always people there, there is almost always no reason to solo it. The sad part is, even in THIS situation, there still was no reason to solo it because the player in question was NOT alone at the camp.