Was Having Two Servers More Fun Than One?

[Silverfalcon]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol so basically what you are demanding is that the game change to accommodate the fact the you personally have less play time. I barely have any playtime and I still enjoy the game...I don't need to get BIS everything and camp the most valuable things in order to have fun. You're complaining about the merge because now you expect that you should be able to get whatever you want whenever you want it without having to wait or share (which actually makes it pretty ironic that you said no one are kids or young adults anymore, since your thinking/expectation is quite childish).

That's not what classic EQ is about, sorry. Like I said, if your goal is to play an MMO where you can do every single thing you want right when you want to do it and be able to get all the best gear by waltzing into a camp whenever you want to, classic EverQuest is not for you. Games like WoW or the EQ TLPs that allow players to have their own instances would be more enjoyable for you I think.

BTW did you actually play during EQ classic years? I did on Inny starting around march of 2000 or so and I really don't remember having the issues for doing things that I do now. In fact I still have all my original discs from EQ do you?

[Visual]

Love seeing people in every nook and cranny of norrath, but also hate it very much when there is nothing to do because every camp is claimed. Friday bad, saturday worse, sunday dont even bother.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not demanding anything. I am just not understanding why the two servers (green and teal) which were higher in population than blue and red btw. Were merged. Does that escape your comprehension? It's not about what was going on in 1999. It's about what is going on currently in 2020. There were 4 servers now there are 3. Red is about dead. Blue is about half of what green is. So why merge green and teal when I can't recall reading any threads in green or teal asking for the servers to be merged. From most accounts I can tell most people were pretty happy with how Green and Teal were. Judging by the votes for this thread 5Xs more players are unhappy than happy there was a merge.

Teal was created as a temporary measure to deal with overpopulation of over 2.4k people as of Green launch. The goal was to create Teal to take on some of the players for a little bit until people spaced out more in the level ranges rather than them being all packed into the same couple low level zones. The population has declined by a lot since Green's original launch and the remaining population is relatively evenly spaced out across the level ranges. Ergo, Teal served it's purpose and was merged back into Green.

Teal was NOT created just for the sake of splitting the population so that you can easily farm valuable drops on your Shaman lol. It accomplished what the staff wanted it to.

Side note, there were plenty of threads and comments by people saying the servers should be merged. Just like the initial poll taken on whether to split in the first place was pretty even.

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW did you actually play during EQ classic years? I did on Inny starting around march of 2000 or so and I really don't remember having the issues for doing things that I do now. In fact I still have all my original discs from EQ do you?

Considering I was a GM, I would say I played during the classic years lol. Also, if you started in March 2000, then that would partially explain why you don't recall things being as crowded. Kunark released in April 2000, which expanded the game world a ton. Depending on when in March you started, you might not have even been high enough level in March to start farming some of the things you're referencing in your comments...so by the time you were Kunark would have been out and things would be even more spaced out. But to answer your question in general, yes things like you are experiencing were par for the course in 1999.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just get tired of people saying...1999 populations were higher than what green is currently. Ignoring the fact that it's 2020 not 1999.

You can keep repeating that as often as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=78

Live servers were LARGER than green. Stop trying to use a lie that I already talked to you about as justification for your preference over the preference of the people who do all the work and run this project.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep repeating that as often as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=78

Live servers were LARGER than green. Stop trying to use a lie that I already talked to you about as justification for your preference over the preference of the people who do all the work and run this project.

he also started playing right around when Kunark was released so doesn't actually have significant experience playing in the Pre-Kunark era. So I wouldn't say he's qualified to speak about whether the current state of Green is or isn't like what a server was in 1999.

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People were also much younger 20 years ago than they are now. They had a lot more free time 20 years ago than they do now. Again the whole point of this thread was what was more "Fun" pre or post merge. Going by the number of votes I'd say the people overwhelming say that pre-merge was much funner.

Add to that the fact that all the people who quit because it was no longer fun aren't around to vote, it's probably 10x.

There's no real point in arguing with them, as their only purpose is to drive the server to the ground, just like they did with red. It's easy to cross-reference the people who post on the red forums and on these types of threads, and they're always saying the same things.

Boxing was classic, but boxing in 2020 is toxic for a server. High populations were classic, but high populations in 2020 is toxic for a server, and for the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

[cd288]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Add to that the fact that all the people who quit because it was no longer fun aren't around to vote, it's probably 10x.

There's no real point in arguing with them, as their only purpose is to drive the server to the ground, just like they did with red. It's easy to cross-reference the people who post on the red forums and on these types of threads, and they're always saying the same things.

Boxing was classic, but boxing in 2020 is toxic for a server. High populations were classic, but high populations in 2020 is toxic for a server, and for the same reasons.

cheers,

Astuce

No one is trying to drive the server into the ground lol, quit being so dramatic. The point is that complaining the server is too crowded because you can't go to the camps that drop some of the more valuable items and easily camp them whenever you want isn't a legitimate complaint.

If you were to say something along the lines of "the server is so freaking crowded that I'm in South Karana and I can barely find any mobs to kill whatsoever" then that would be a more valid argument.

But essentially saying things like "omg this item that's like BIS for my class is frequently camped and I can't easily get it without waiting my turn" or "Omg HHK, Guk, CB, and Unrest are always so crowded that I have to wait for groups and I want to be able to play in the highest ZEM zones possible and not go anywhere else for EXP" aren't really legitimate arguments for why the server's population is too high lol

[Evets]

Why don't they just make all dungeons/cities the same zem you'd think that would help with the situation... is it just because it's not classic?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that complaining the server is too crowded because you can't go to the camps that drop some of the more valuable items and easily camp them whenever you want isn't a legitimate complaint.

If you were to say something along the lines of "the server is so freaking crowded that I'm in South Karana and I can barely find any mobs to kill whatsoever" then that would be a more valid argument.

But essentially saying things like "omg this item that's like BIS for my class is frequently camped and I can't easily get it without waiting my turn" or "Omg HHK, Guk, CB, and Unrest are always so crowded that I have to wait for groups and I want to be able to play in the highest ZEM zones possible and not go anywhere else for EXP" aren't really legitimate arguments for why the server's population is too high lol

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It's not even as bad as that though really. I regularly find cool little exp spots for my solo wiz, get groups on my rogue (even in spots like uguk that is more crowded), find open things to camp to sell for plat on my 50 sham. No, I can't log in at 9 pm any day of the week and expect to find freeti or frenzy open. No, I haven't killed vox or naggy.

But so what? Classic EQ is about a hell of a lot more than that. The only not classic thing in this whole debate is the people who don't appreciate this, imo.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Silverfalcon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so your objective was to see how people felt. Judging by the voting so far I'd say it's about 5 to 1 had more fun pre-merge than post-merge. Sorry if I paraphrasing what you were asking.

I was not trying to be angry. I just get tired of people saying...1999 populations were higher than what green is currently. Ignoring the fact that it's 2020 not 1999.

My point was more .... and it wasn't just for you ... this place is big on arguing. As others have pointed out, we've already got plenty of threads full of merger-related arguments.

If this thread is "about" anything, it's about listening to your fellow players, trying to understand them and what's fun (or not) for them, and how something like two servers vs. one impacts that. It's not about convincing anyone else that your way of fun is right.

Or at least that's what I see the thread being about, and I've loved when people have responded genuinely and honestly (on either "side") about their fun, instead of getting bent out of shape over someone else's.