@Rogean, surely this is not the ToV raid scene you intended after 4/2019

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by zati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the solution to the toxic raid scene is.. once your characters /played reaches 2-3 years it gets automatically deleted or deleveled to 1, but you keep the gear. recycle insane raiders down the totem pole in a natural way. /shrug

That sounds good too but I prefer inverting respawn timers and variance so the windows are incompatible with human life. 😈

[Chortles Snortles]

mad

[Albanwr]

change cost of Mana Battery to 25k, make it only usable in Sky.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Unroot dragons, let people play how they want, ignore petitions. Move to resolved.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unroot dragons, let people play how they want, ignore petitions. Move to resolved.

[titanshub]

Unrooting the dragons will be an absolute disaster. All those of you who think you're in the inner circle may be surprised to find out that it's easier to share with less people. The same 12-20 people will fte all of the dragons within seconds providing no opportunities for people to even learn how to compete against them. Even on quakes the tov dragons will be pulled and dead so quickly that the same force will then be able to contest everything in kunark as well. It's a different game entirely, and one that just won't include most of us.

The problem with training in tov could easily be resolved by the staff through the existing rules if they wanted to do it. They don't and I'm not sure what that says about the staff other than they disagree or don't understand the effects their rule changes have had on the raid environment. Today's disaster of the meta in rooted dragons is not an inevitable outcome it's a consequence of allowing detoxx and furor to train whomever they want because they were on the tracks. I've watch them get every benefit of the doubt to absurdity while nobody else is afforded the same consideration.

There are lots of good people in vanquish. I know many of them through their former involvement in kittens. I certainly don't mind there being other options in the world of contesting all the dragons all the time. I never have. Competition at the high end can be a healthy thing for blue server. My issue with Vanquish is their leadership and a subset of their core that's willing to say and do anything to win. They harass our people (including furor), they follow us around in game and out trying to make playing p99 so distasteful we leave. They harass us in tells, ooc, and in say at every opportunity. They are poor winners and poor losers simultaneously. We have watched them train us and seriously set us back on quakes and tell us to get bent. Mock us for trying new things and failing. It's gross, and it has seriously destroyed the community we left on blue server. Shame on everyone for allowing it to happen. Have a merry christmas I guess.

[Barcelona]

I recall Furoar was removed from a guild leadership role and also banned as ever being recognized in the U.N as such, for this behavior that you mentioned. For someone who also knowingly logged onto their former guilds bot just to maliciously run a train of mobs after losing a dragon, and then also get caught lying about doing so. Not to mention this person was also the driving force that led to COTH racing FTE being removed due to allegations of cheating/scripting.

The only thing we can hang our collective hats on here is, that this patten of behavior is most surely to continue from this one individual. Maybe he will be punished much more harshly for the next infraction. This pattern surely points to a possible permanent ban one day, right?

[Ennewi]

Technically, rooting dragons did work. Right cubby was nearly every single dragon's lair for the longest time. Only monks and necros were dungeon crawling, and even then only the same select few, with the occasional +1 learning the ropes. If a handful of players take 99% of the environment out of a PVE game, where's the challenge?

Players using KoS NPCs as a means to engage in PVP with opposing PVE guilds is the issue. It's almost like they're playing on the wrong server, acting out in order to have their characters moved to red, where that competitive mindset would be put to better use with fewer restrictions.

[Ennewi]

That said, raids would be nothing short of amazing if every class, or at least most classes, required the same coordination and involvement as necro/monk pulls did back then. Just listening to those players communicate in voice was some of the best EQ. But then came the time to kill the target and it was just that, a target differentiated not by its effects or surroundings, but by the loot on its table only.

Rooted dragons aren't that awkward of a fit when the world itself is sectioned off by zonelines. If there weren't any zones in Norrath, Trakanon could be pulled out of Seb, bypassing the key requirement for all but the pull team and corpse draggers. Even some of the zone names indicate the devs' mindsets. Naggy is fought in Sol B (Nagafen's Lair). Velk is fought in Velketor's Labyrinth. Without zonelines, both could be pulled to nearby druid rings and killed with ease.

Instead, bosses are confined to their dungeon zones, similar to the gods in their planes, with the rare exceptions being GM events and the sleeper's awakening.

As big as the zone is, the lairs in ToV aren't separate or distinct enough, the way that the islands are in PoS. And as annoying as PoS can be, progressing through it encourages active participation and requires at least some vigilance by all involved. In ToV, the same participation/vigilance can only be encouraged if the dragons themselves are fixed in place. Call it unclassic, but there are examples of this elsewhere, one being Eejag in Lavastorm. He's rooted in the lava for a reason because it was meant to act as his lair, where he would have the advantage as players struggled with poor visibility, swimming/breathing, and persistent fire damage.

It's easy to think up a few alternatives. Each of the dragons in VP/ToV spawning at different lair locations, with any of the abilities of other dragons, at random, while also sharing loot tables. Players then wouldn't know what they were getting into until they were already committed to killing it and their efforts could still be in vain, potentially earning them the worst loot. Random is the one shared unknown amongst the playerbase. We don't know when a quake will happen, if our guild will get FTE, whether the mob will have the item we want, etc. The more unknowably RNG a game is (within reason), the less routinized and job-like it risks becoming. But, well, not classic.

[myrddraal]

Originally Posted by Barcelona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recall Furoar was removed from a guild leadership role and also banned as ever being recognized in the U.N as such, for this behavior that you mentioned. For someone who also knowingly logged onto their former guilds bot just to maliciously run a train of mobs after losing a dragon, and then also get caught lying about doing so. Not to mention this person was also the driving force that led to COTH racing FTE being removed due to allegations of cheating/scripting.

The only thing we can hang our collective hats on here is, that this patten of behavior is most surely to continue from this one individual. Maybe he will be punished much more harshly for the next infraction. This pattern surely points to a possible permanent ban one day, right?

Nobody could possibly "lead" a guild or speak in the UN for him, ok? Its all been worked out.