Which race is better for Paladin: Dwarf or Half Elf?

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be easier to be a high elf from day one but most of their advantage goes away if you put points into melee stats and you still end up with bad melee stats. If you’re making a character during velious era the choice makes
More sense.

Then again given how shit paladin melee is in early Classic you're probably gonna get better bang for the buck going wisdom. And if you go wisdom with a High Elf you are gonna have enough charisma to sorta make lulling work eventually anyway with some swap-in items. Unlike a dwarf without charisma which can basically give up on that prospect.

[Snaggles]

This game has cycled on and off for over 20 years. Most people never put points into wisdom and I expect those (especially on live) who put any points into CHA are in the single percentage digits.

If you believe the OG dev’s intent that a knight is 80% melee/20% putting points into str or sta make more sense. If you plan to cap these stats easily with vulak and doz gear sure go for wis.

If you can afford a semi-functional lull kit (maybe 3k) then go for cha. Just know the difference between a dwarf with 170 and 190 cha isn’t noticeable in Lower Guk and The Hole. Frankly as much as it pains me I’d rather see someone put points into Dex because at least it’s a combat stat and that’s primarily what a paladin is supposed to do. Jeldorin, epic, primal, dawncall, craslith, all good procs.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This game has cycled on and off for over 20 years. Most people never put points into wisdom and I expect those (especially on live) who put any points into CHA are in the single percentage digits.

If you believe the OG dev’s intent that a knight is 80% melee/20% putting points into str or sta make more sense. If you plan to cap these stats easily with vulak and doz gear sure go for wis.

If you can afford a semi-functional lull kit (maybe 3k) then go for cha. Just know the difference between a dwarf with 170 and 190 cha isn’t noticeable in Lower Guk and The Hole. Frankly as much as it pains me I’d rather see someone put points into Dex because at least it’s a combat stat and that’s primarily what a paladin is supposed to do. Jeldorin, epic, primal, dawncall, craslith, all good procs.

I'd rather have the CHA for more dangerous lulls like HS, seb, velks, etc. I went wis on my pally and found basically zero use for it. if I need to get off one extra hot with that extra wis then I prob lost the fight anyway. But ymmv.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather have the CHA for more dangerous lulls like HS, seb, velks, etc. I went wis on my pally and found basically zero use for it. if I need to get off one extra hot with that extra wis then I prob lost the fight anyway. But ymmv.

Crawling HS as the puller I guess would be dodgy with low CHA and no CC. That said, eventually a crit fail will happen. Murphy’s Law and all that.

I don’t go full out with my CHA set. Earrings, bracers, neck (I use a +6). Ennewi mentioned a ToFS stein for 10 more and I don’t use a loddy shield. There are plenty of ways to get that stay very high no matter what race you pick.

If you have a specific need sure, do whatever you want. I just think nudging new players down this road isn’t necessarily. I sure never needed 200+ CHA and found the road to 60 remarkably easy.

[magnetaress]

You shouldn't be crawling anywhere that is remotely dangerous solo. Take someone with you. They will appreciate your extra wisdom.

The upside of dex is every class has a nice proc weapon and 20 extra dex can make a significant difference on those dice.

I used to be a huge advocate for cha. Really 120 is sufficient and you'll accidentally get that. And if you get a crit resist your going to gate pot or root camp anyway. Or just rez urself.

Most pulls in the game can be accomplished with root and a body to dish out enough dps so all you have to do is root and spot heal. Big charisma is nice. It's a bonus. At 200 you'll get lucky much more with crit fails. It's not game changing tho.

[agalig2]

Dwarf Paladin of Brell whose god personally appeared to him in a vision and told him that alcohol must be abandoned, like that one guy in Thurgadin, except with a flaming sword.

Also barrel roll.

[Cen]

I actually always put humans above dwarves because I like the fun robe option, but here its just natures defender vs stats and cool roll if male, I think dwarves have a cooler paladin flavor. Their walk cycle isnt my favorite but its not a bad one! Their hats and armor. I kind of like too across the board. Honestly paladin race is pure flavor

[Raj]

Do a Barrel roll, fox! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Just get a https://wiki.project1999.com/Eyepatch_of_the_Shadows to go with the eyepatch you put on your human. It's got decent enough stats for a melee. Once you get a better mask, you can just swap to the eyepatch when you are running around, and swap it out in combat.

[Stroboo]

Human would have been my first choice as Paladin and i would have gone full cha then any leftover into str, but i already have 2 humans, druid and mage, so i went Half-Elf and have loved it(level 51 so far). I value raw stamina and wis/int much lower when leveling then most do though, i'm not often full health or mana so what's the difference? and i have no intention of ever raiding on a paladin so those stats didn't seem as important.

if i was to raid i think would go Half Elf and maybe go full int then sta, str/sta seem much easier raw stats to max with str/sta/foc + avatar for sure