shaman duo

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Coming from the guy caught on video unable to solo 4 mobs in KC …

When you can't win with facts and logic, you make up lies. Your typical posting pattern unfortunately. You can watch my channel and see that I can solo harder content than KC. Penish is simply lying, and you bought into it because you prefer to troll people instead of have an adult conversation. Penish has yet to post the video, because he knows he didn't catch me do anything. He jumped the gun because he was too eager to troll me, and lost his chance. As I said before, be careful when playing with Penish in the future, he will troll you in game and waste your time.

[Troxx]

Every class can put out dps. Some do it well. Some do it badly. Shamans can put out some dps. They can do it better than a few classes hands down. But they have to work really hard and focus exclusively on it to come anywhere close to a scrub, fairly poorly geared melee several levels below them.

Great class.

“Meh” dps in a group.

Decent damage contribution in a duo or trio of the content easily allows, but still lower than any comparably geared melee by a college mile or necro/mage pet (excluding the pet owners contributions).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every class can put out dps. Some do it well. Some do it badly. Shamans can put out some dps. They can do it better than a few classes hands down. But they have to work really hard and focus exclusively on it to come anywhere close to a scrub, fairly poorly geared melee several levels below them.

Great class.

“Meh” dps in a group.

Decent damage contribution in a duo or trio of the content easily allows, but still lower than any comparably geared melee by a college mile or necro/mage pet (excluding the pet owners contributions).

I agree that DPS oriented classes do more DPS than a Shaman. That doesn't mean a Shaman's DPS is bad, or that their utility doesn't make up for their lower DPS.

Again, if you want to claim that Shamans objectively have low DPS on average, you need to bring some data. Otherwise you are just guessing.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that DPS oriented classes do more DPS than a Shaman. That doesn't mean a Shaman's DPS is bad, or that their utility doesn't make up for their lower DPS.

Again, if you want to claim that Shamans objectively have low DPS on average, you need to bring some data. Otherwise you are just guessing.

Luckily you brought it for us, doing about 5 dps over 3 hours in an HS group. Saved us having to prove what we already knew.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luckily you brought it for us, doing about 5 dps over 3 hours in an HS group. Saved us having to prove what we already knew.

You keep forgetting the purpose of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI was not to show the max DPS a Shaman can do in a group. It was to disprove the idea that a Shaman's group DPS can never be the same as a Shaman's solo DPS. That is why I was using Ice Strike, to show the 1:1 comparison to this solo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E . You can indeed use a solo video to show how a class can perform DPS-wise in a group. Honestly this is such a simple concept that I shouldn't have needed to do it in the first place.

The HS group was a pickup group of two sub 60 characters who had never done HS west before. I myself was rusty at doing it. Of course the video isn't going to show what a group of 60s who know the zone like the back of their hand can do. Why would you think that lol? You just keep making yourself look foolish with these silly attempts at trolling.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep forgetting the purpose of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI was not to show the max DPS a Shaman can do in a group. It was to disprove the idea that you cannot translate a solo DPS video into a group scenario. That is why I was using Ice Strike, to show the 1:1 comparison to this solo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E . Honestly this is such a simple concept that I shouldn't have needed to do it in the first place.

The HS group was a pickup group of two sub 60 characters who had never done HS west before. I myself was rusty at doing it. Of course the video isn't going to show what a group of 60s who know the zone like the back of their hand can do. Why would you think that lol? You just keep making yourself look foolish with these silly attempts at trolling.

Ahh that’s right, you tried to “gotcha” us with that poor attempt at that to be able to say solo super slow/controlled root rotting = fast kill group scenario.

Nobody bought it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh that’s right, you tried to “gotcha” us with that poor attempt at that to be able to say solo super slow/controlled root rotting = fast kill group scenario.

Nobody bought it.

Why would I post a video showing myself doing lower DPS that I normally would to show that Shamans can do higher DPS? It makes zero sense lol. Your constant trolling has clearly rotted your brain.

If I was worried about showing the highest DPS possible, I wouldn't have posted the video at all. I would have made a video of me playing with two or three level 60 characters who knew what they were doing.

The purpose of the video was to disprove one of the core ideas that caused the four man group thread to spiral out of control. That idea was that you cannot use a solo DPS video to simulate group DPS. I proved this idea wrong. You can use a solo DPS video to simulate group DPS.

[Troxx]

The burden of proof is on you DSM. It is unfortunate you never did what was asked of you in this thread.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

You never joined a fast paced group (or hell even normal group) to log your dps over any extended period of time across multiple fights while competing for damage done with others. You just gave us napkin math and videos of you soloing low level seb trash as “surrogate proof”.

The established “truth” is known. Shamans aren’t gonna be good dps in a group over extended periods of time.

If you want to challenge that truth - you gotta provide that *factual evidence* you like to demand from others. Go join a group (big or small). Parse your damage and your pets damage over time. Do your damndest to do your best. Parse the other dps in the group too. Show us how it goes after a few dozen fights.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The burden of proof is on you DSM. It is unfortunate you never did what was asked of you in this thread.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

You never joined a fast paced group (or hell even normal group) to log your dps over any extended period of time across multiple fights while competing for damage done with others. You just gave us napkin math and videos of you soloing low level seb trash as “surrogate proof”.

The established “truth” is known. Shamans aren’t gonna be good dps in a group over extended periods of time.

If you want to challenge that truth - you gotta provide that *factual evidence* you like to demand from others. Go join a group (big or small). Parse your damage and your pets damage over time. Do your damndest to do your best. Parse the other dps in the group too. Show us how it goes after a few dozen fights.

And we need 3 hours of logs, don’t give us parses. Parses are not accurate.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The burden of proof is on you DSM. It is unfortunate you never did what was asked of you in this thread.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

You never joined a fast paced group (or hell even normal group) to log your dps over any extended period of time across multiple fights while competing for damage done with others. You just gave us napkin math and videos of you soloing low level seb trash as “surrogate proof”.

The established “truth” is known. Shamans aren’t gonna be good dps in a group over extended periods of time.

If you want to challenge that truth - you gotta provide that *factual evidence* you like to demand from others. Go join a group (big or small). Parse your damage and your pets damage over time. Do your damndest to do your best. Parse the other dps in the group too. Show us how it goes after a few dozen fights.

You didn't meet your own standard in the first place. There is no proof your pixelated screenshot of an excel spreadsheet was your DPS in a group at all, much less a fast paced or "normal" group. Bring a video and logs first before asking others. I provided way more evidence than you did, including videos and logs. I disproved your idea that you cannot use solo videos to simulate group DPS. I made a group video to do it too! The burden of proof is on you to provide ANY evidence for your claims lol. You have nothing, and expect everybody else to do all the work. I am sorry, but a pixelated screenshot of an excel spreadsheet is very flimsy evidence that you did anything you claimed to do.

That is why you resort to trolling. You know you have nothing, so you use underhanded tactics to try and pretend to be correct. You are taking the easy way out. If it was easy to disprove what I have been saying, you would have posted a video with logs last year.