Swarming in CoM

[Swish]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As the new arriving group, you're entitled to a camp. You communicate with the person/people already there and discuss which camp they want to give you. They then have to claim a single camp themselves that you can't pull from, and any other camp(s) are free for all between your group and the soloer/other group.

Exactly this. If anyone remembers the Chardok AOE groups this is how they got themselves in trouble. We came in and said we wanted to move through and camp further in and they refused, then trained us on the next pull. The puller got a suspension and the group had to disperse.

So if a bard wants to come in and own the zone, that's not going to happen unless you let them get away with it. Ask them what they're camping, tell them what you want which isn't the camp they're at...and if there's negative consequences after that then file a petition with the elf court magistrates (video evidence helps).

[Sirban]

this thread again

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly this. If anyone remembers the Chardok AOE groups this is how they got themselves in trouble. We came in and said we wanted to move through and camp further in and they refused, then trained us on the next pull. The puller got a suspension and the group had to disperse.

So if a bard wants to come in and own the zone, that's not going to happen unless you let them get away with it. Ask them what they're camping, tell them what you want which isn't the camp they're at...and if there's negative consequences after that then file a petition with the elf court magistrates (video evidence helps).

i mean, you're not wrong, but let's be honest, the entire point of the entire scheme was to get chardok aoe nerfed from the game, not out of any genuine desire to "camp deeper inside chardok".

it is what it is, but they (i dont know if you were in the group that ended it) were pretty transparent about their goal from the beginning.

it was a shame. chardok aoe was fun. but hey, so was unrooted dragons, recharging, killing dragons with under 100 people, and about 20 other things i could list.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i mean, you're not wrong, but let's be honest, the entire point of the entire scheme was to get chardok aoe nerfed from the game, not out of any genuine desire to "camp deeper inside chardok".

it is what it is, but they (i dont know if you were in the group that ended it) were pretty transparent about their goal from the beginning.

it was a shame. chardok aoe was fun. but hey, so was unrooted dragons, recharging, killing dragons with under 100 people, and about 20 other things i could list.

That's not the fault of the group that did that. That's the fault of the AOE group being unreasonable aholes who took the bait.

[Duik]

Funny.
Arseholes defending arseholes and being Elf Lawyered into doubling down.

Some find wrecking AOE groups fun. Equal === Equal.

You want classic? Classic is 1 full group pulling 4 spawns in Mistmoore and talkin shit. Taking ages to lvl but "playing" as intended.
Classic.

Min/maxing came later by neckbeards whos mummys made them pancakes and strawberries with mountain dew.
Still classic I suppose, but just antisocial.

My levelling system is superiour to yours, therefore I get to define your fun.

[Ciderpress]

chardok aoe was dumb and bad and I'm glad it's gone.

like, it's definitly fun to cheese content in everquest, that's the whole appeal of twinking new alts. I can respect that. but when you cheese too hard, it ruins the social fabric of the game and playing at all starts to feel pointless and arbitrary. If you're gonna allow chardok aoe, why not just have everyone start at 60 and dispense with it? who even wants to see these old dated graphics, let's just play EQ via spreadsheet. It's all just numbers and dice rolls ultimately ya know?

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

chardok aoe was dumb and bad and I'm glad it's gone.

like, it's definitly fun to cheese content in everquest, that's the whole appeal of twinking new alts. I can respect that. but when you cheese too hard, it ruins the social fabric of the game and playing at all starts to feel pointless and arbitrary. If you're gonna allow chardok aoe, why not just have everyone start at 60 and dispense with it? who even wants to see these old dated graphics, let's just play EQ via spreadsheet. It's all just numbers and dice rolls ultimately ya know?

I don't know follow your logic. Chardok AoE was just fun and effective. I did every role required (pulling, cleric, enchanter, and wizard) and had a pretty fun time all around. It was also classic (technically) and resulted in yet another hamfisted non-classic change with the 25 pbae cap which had unintended side effects like making AoEing Plane of Fear a pain in the ass.

Some people derive enjoyment from this game from seeing what they can pull off with small numbers and/or unique, well thought out preparation and strategy. I think back to things like soloing or duoing various things thanks to Puppet Strings and miss them, or pulling dragons to zonelines, because they were fun. It's odd how almost all of the non-classic changes are things I would describe as resulting in Not Fun.

You equate Chardok AoE to just starting at 60, but I fail to see how you draw that conclusion. It's not like Chardok AoE was super easy nor super fast, it took decent coordination and the exp was good but not like just instantly starting at 60. Nowhere near. Hell, you needed like level 46 or something to even start doing it.

[eisley]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the fault of the group that did that. That's the fault of the AOE group being unreasonable aholes who took the bait.

I certainly can't argue with you there.

[Krinkill]

Why did they not just make chardok AOE a suspend first time ban second time offense instead of the nerf?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Krinkill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did they not just make chardok AOE a suspend first time ban second time offense instead of the nerf?

I'm assuming if they had a ton of CSR resources they might have done this. But with limited resources it's easier to just add a mechanic that makes people unable to fully disrupt the zone in that way, such that it becomes way less efficient so people just stop doing it and therefore the CSR issues go away.