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[Gongshow]

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[Supreme]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many of us have requested this, but you see there are two counter philosophies, that of Holocaust and that of Nihilum. Holocaust came to this server to PVP. They wanted to engage people, grief them, kill people, screenshot it, ForumQuest, win, etc. Nihilum came here to get the loots and kills they can't get on Blue in PVE because of the poopsocking. They don't really care about PVP and only engage in it when they need to in order to obtain PVE loots. Holocaust agrees with your statement and thinks these rules are too subjective and ultimately impossible to enforce fairly. Nihilum sees that chaos as a threat to their ability to farm the loots they came here for, they didn't come here to PVP and engage in multiple hour long zone struggles, they came to get those kills, so they want rules which will allow and enable them to do so. The GM's seem to take the Nihilum approach for their rules.

The problem is that when you want to "grief them, kill people, screenshot it, ForumQuest, win, etc" Holocaust wants to use ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can to "win". Even if that means...fearing engaged mobs,training, Z-axis exploit, zone plugging, ganking and lying about PVP kills.

"for the win"

lol.

[heartbrand]

As to the analogy, here's a better one. You're driving on a 65 MPH road and see cars every day zooming past cops with radar guns at double the posted speed. You keep going the speed limit but are confused why the cops fail to pull these obvious speeders over. The speeding allows them to get to work faster, be more productive, earn more income, etc., but you keep going the speed limit regardless. Finally, one day, you decide that enough is enough, if the speed limit is meaningless, you too will drive double the posted limit so you can also get to work earlier, get home faster, be more productive, waste less time, etc.

As you zoom alongside your habitual speeding friends past the cops with the radar guns, their signals suddenly go off. VROOM VROOM VROOM. You are perplexed. They order you to the side of the road. "Sir, you are going twice the posted speed limit." You look confused and respond, "Officer, you have watched these same people speed past your road on the way to work every single day and have never pulled them over, I had come to think that speeding was not an issue that was taken seriously." The officer looks you up and down and responds, "It's a very serious issue, you have been sentenced to death via lethal injection, immediately." You shout and scream, telling the officer I don't understand, you watch those same people etc., etc., but he doesn't care. He hauls you off to the jail where you will be executed.

While you are in jail awaiting your execution, the speeders have now taken your higher paying jobs, invested in hedge funds, made millions of dollars, and now have purchased beautiful new cars. You see, they don't drive those ricercars anymore on the way to work, they drive BMW's, mercedes, etc., and not just any luxury vehicles, ostentatious ones, bright reds, yellows, etc. They continue to speed on their way to work, build properties, expand their real estate empires, and marry your sisters and rape your mothers. Meanwhile you sit in jail.

Finally, several weeks later, a judge decides to show some mercy to you and commute your sentence to time served. You return to find your jobs gone, many of your loved ones vanished, and all your savings gone. You get in your car to drive to your new lower paying job to see the same speeders as before, but this time in their flashy cars, driving past the same officer, and aren't being pulled over.

You voice your complaints to the town council, but you don't have a vote, as you don't live in a democracy, you just get to pretend to air your concerns to people who pretend to care. Finally, after being tired of being bugged by your incessant complaining, the Mayor of the town agrees to take away the BMW's and Mercedes from these speeders who had been verified via speed camera on the highway. Of course, these speeders are now millionaires and have real estate and stock empires but that's besides the point, they have been punished. Oh, and the Mayor want's that toyota 199 of yours as well. The speeders go out, immediately purchase newer, and even fancier cars than before, while you try to secure a loan with your bad credit to buy Ricardo's 1984 ford.

That's the analogy.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that when you want to "grief them, kill people, screenshot it, ForumQuest, win, etc" Holocaust wants to use ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they can to "win". Even if that means...fearing engaged mobs,training, Z-axis exploit, zone plugging, ganking and lying about PVP kills.

"for the win"

lol.

Fearing engaged mobs is also banned now??????

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Jontaidoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess what retard, we're giving the loots back. So fuck off and stop complaining about it. We have killed vox AND naggy legit now so stop your fucking crying and getbetter loser.

Confirmed vox still up post new ruling and NOT Killed.

[Silentone]

I'm sorry my play time on red has dwindled downt to almost like 1 hour a week. However I will say this, anyone who says they dont play for loot in everquest is either lying to themselves or just flat out lying. Everquest is all about the loot, the pvp in evequest is a tool used to self police the population. Maybe you guys should police each other as opposed to greefing each other. I dont see a reason for guild "A" with no vested interest in a raid target greefing guild "B" unless they are going to try to attmet said target.

[Null]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There would be less deaths as many studies have shown multiple times. Speed limits do nothing to help safety and in fact lead to more crashes.

Gotta pick your analogies better Null!

Alright, I think the point I am trying to make it still there, but yes its an unfortunate analogy if you jump off the rails with it.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As to the analogy, here's a better one. You're driving on a 65 MPH road and see cars every day zooming past cops with radar guns at double the posted speed. You keep going the speed limit but are confused why the cops fail to pull these obvious speeders over. The speeding allows them to get to work faster, be more productive, earn more income, etc., but you keep going the speed limit regardless. Finally, one day, you decide that enough is enough, if the speed limit is meaningless, you too will drive double the posted limit so you can also get to work earlier, get home faster, be more productive, waste less time, etc.

As you zoom alongside your habitual speeding friends past the cops with the radar guns, their signals suddenly go off. VROOM VROOM VROOM. You are perplexed. They order you to the side of the road. "Sir, you are going twice the posted speed limit." You look confused and respond, "Officer, you have watched these same people speed past your road on the way to work every single day and have never pulled them over, I had come to think that speeding was not an issue that was taken seriously." The officer looks you up and down and responds, "It's a very serious issue, you have been sentenced to death via lethal injection, immediately." You shout and scream, telling the officer I don't understand, you watch those same people etc., etc., but he doesn't care. He hauls you off to the jail where you will be executed.

While you are in jail awaiting your execution, the speeders have now taken your higher paying jobs, invested in hedge funds, made millions of dollars, and now have purchased beautiful new cars. You see, they don't drive those ricercars anymore on the way to work, they drive BMW's, mercedes, etc., and not just any luxury vehicles, ostentatious ones, bright reds, yellows, etc. They continue to speed on their way to work, build properties, expand their real estate empires, and marry your sisters and rape your mothers. Meanwhile you sit in jail.

Finally, several weeks later, a judge decides to show some mercy to you and commute your sentence to time served. You return to find your jobs gone, many of your loved ones vanished, and all your savings gone. You get in your car to drive to your new lower paying job to see the same speeders as before, but this time in their flashy cars, driving past the same officer, and aren't being pulled over.

You voice your complaints to the town council, but you don't have a vote, as you don't live in a democracy, you just get to pretend to air your concerns to people who pretend to care. Finally, after being tired of being bugged by your incessant complaining, the Mayor of the town agrees to take away the BMW's and Mercedes from these speeders who had been verified via speed camera on the highway. Of course, these speeders are now millionaires and have real estate and stock empires but that's besides the point, they have been punished. Oh, and the Mayor want's that toyota 199 of yours as well. The speeders go out, immediately purchase newer, and even fancier cars than before, while you try to secure a loan with your bad credit to buy Ricardo's 1984 ford.

That's the analogy.

Your analogy is flawed because you are trying to equate Police to GM's and that GM's are all just standing around watching "speeders" break the law and do nothing. Which you know to be a lie.

You also are generalizing that everyone but you "cheats". Which by proxy i can LAUGH OUT LOUD at the Bolts you cast through WALLS in CT and LGUK every damn day.

Poor Heartbrand always the victim of injustice and tyranny....

[Gongshow]

Looks like the rules post was taken down already.

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Jim West.

Desperado.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your analogy is flawed because you are trying to equate Police to GM's and that GM's are all just standing around watching "speeders" break the law and do nothing. Which you know to be a lie.

You also are generalizing that everyone but you "cheats". Which by proxy i can LAUGH OUT LOUD at the Bolts you cast through WALLS in CT and LGUK every damn day.

Poor Heartbrand always the victim of injustice and tyranny....

You're right, it's even easier here where we have confessions and fraps of the violations and don't even need the cops to witness it in the first place. Thanks for helping my point.