FIX RESISTS

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by kprobe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking from personal experience, I have yet to seen a partial on a Vox/Naggy here on red that makes it worth stacking resists instead of hp or worth sending in melee (without wall hoppin). Fear seems to also have a decent chance to stick even at 330MR, again you have to peel instead of resist, not as it used to be in live.

The resists on the raid encounter do not match classic, and more importantly encourage the use of pets due to easier charming here than classic. I mean its fine if this is the intended effect, but somehow I think the resist values are encouraging non-classic approaches to raid mobs. Is this what we want? or do we want dragons to be raided with the right numbers with resists, instead of the now encouraged 4x rooted pets brought up from the backdoor?

I think you've been playing p99 too long and have forgotten what live used to be like. There are differences, and they encourage certain types of approaches.

I'm just saying that the way you describe naggy is not at all accurate to how he is on p99, and that you've probably just been unlucky, or someone in your group isn't stacking resists right. I've probably been on more naggy raids between both servers (plus Ragefire and Faydedar who are naggy clones) - correct me if I'm wrong though - so I feel I can give a better account of how hard the fight is. For a level 55 mob the resists seem fine, I've even compared this to everlore comments because I remember before kunark on blue99 going through an entire naggy fight without getting hit by either ae, and thinking it must be too easy. You have a very good chance of resisting the fear at high levels of MR, less chance of resisting lava breath, but still some chance of getting hit even at insanely high resists because he's 5 levels higher than you. Also I fail to see how it can be a better strategy to use pets when pets have a much higher chance of getting feared than players, since you can't buff their MR as high with Bard songs. If you're walling the ae's so that the pets don't get hit, then do the same with your non-pets. And you don't even need to wall hop - last time I killed naggy we had 17 people, didn't wall the ae's, and didn't use a single charmed pet, so I'm thinking you just had bad luck.

[kprobe]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just saying that the way you describe naggy is not at all accurate to how he is on p99, and that you've probably just been unlucky, or someone in your group isn't stacking resists right. I've probably been on more naggy raids between both servers (plus Ragefire and Faydedar who are naggy clones) - correct me if I'm wrong though - so I feel I can give a better account of how hard the fight is. For a level 55 mob the resists seem fine, I've even compared this to everlore comments because I remember before kunark on blue99 going through an entire naggy fight without getting hit by either ae, and thinking it must be too easy. You have a very good chance of resisting the fear at high levels of MR, less chance of resisting lava breath, but still some chance of getting hit even at insanely high resists because he's 5 levels higher than you. Also I fail to see how it can be a better strategy to use pets when pets have a much higher chance of getting feared than players, since you can't buff their MR as high with Bard songs. If you're walling the ae's so that the pets don't get hit, then do the same with your non-pets. And you don't even need to wall hop - last time I killed naggy we had 17 people, didn't wall the ae's, and didn't use a single charmed pet, so I'm thinking you just had bad luck.

That may be how it is on blue/p99 its not how it was back in live.

Also pets work cause you root em that along with the fact each does about 80-110% of PC raid dps makes for a bursty fight.

[biscuits2455]

Originally Posted by bamzal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just want classic, classic is not getting perma stunned and raped by clerics. Clerics shouldn't be able land their magic based spells in high level pvp with 100+ MR.

Maybe you shouldnt stand at a zoneline at 10% life while a cleric chain nukes and stuns you to death even with resists? I mean... zone or something.

[AppleJacks]

All I see is a lot of FF half ass complaining with no real evidence to back anything up... Bamzal is clearly upset that I killed him. It's not my fault he thought he was awesome and decided to spend 15 minutes fighting a mage pet. Finally zoned into UGuk at 20% hp.. I followed.. nuked twice (both of which u partially resisted) and you DIED. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Take a look at the SS Retribution doesn't hit for 177, it usually hits for 400ish pvp therefore you partially resisted! Do your research whiny baby. And for the record all my roots/stuns/blind hardly ever land anymore at level 50 pvp since resists were tweaked. I think they are fine the way they are. I have over 120 FR and CR and I still get IC and Starfired for full damage. Here is the lesson learned for Bamzal.. don't fight mage pets, DUMB, and don't sit there (you resisted 4 roots) and let a cleric nuke you when you have less than 500 hp! <3 Good day.

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[jdklaw]

Originally Posted by kprobe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking from personal experience, I have yet to seen a partial on a Vox/Naggy here on red that makes it worth stacking resists instead of hp or worth sending in melee (without wall hoppin). Fear seems to also have a decent chance to stick even at 330MR, again you have to peel instead of resist, not as it used to be in live.

The resists on the raid encounter do not match classic, and more importantly encourage the use of pets due to easier charming here than classic. I mean its fine if this is the intended effect, but somehow I think the resist values are encouraging non-classic approaches to raid mobs. Is this what we want? or do we want dragons to be raided with the right numbers with resists, instead of the now encouraged 4x rooted pets brought up from the backdoor?

I think you've been playing p99 too long and have forgotten what live used to be like. There are differences, and they encourage certain types of approaches.


On Pvp resists, I think they are fine as they are now, but fix the mage bolt and reintroduce dual line of sight requirement for casting.

personal experience on dragons from a founding father member.

lol'd

[heartbrand]

Resists weren't very helpful vs significantly higher level mobs on Live either. Fuck even in Live with 755 to all resists or w/e it's capped @ currently I still get hit by everything from NPC's. As far as the actual discussion, which is resists vs. PC's, it was known that almost all magic spells were completely worthless but yet hear even with 200+ MR I consistently get mezzed, nuked, etc. My only real complaint about it is that for a server that consistently tells us "you can't have X cuz not classic" it sure seems hard to change the BIGGEST aspect of EQ PVP which is resists, to not be classic. It doesn't hurt or help me so it's not a cry, just an observation. Personally, I have no issue with nukes being scaled by resists, but CC spells need to be almost 100% resistant above 100ish MR. No other game has CC spells the like that EQ does where you can literally lock people down an entire fight.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just saying that the way you describe naggy is not at all accurate to how he is on p99, and that you've probably just been unlucky, or someone in your group isn't stacking resists right. I've probably been on more naggy raids between both servers (plus Ragefire and Faydedar who are naggy clones) - correct me if I'm wrong though - so I feel I can give a better account of how hard the fight is. For a level 55 mob the resists seem fine, I've even compared this to everlore comments because I remember before kunark on blue99 going through an entire naggy fight without getting hit by either ae, and thinking it must be too easy. You have a very good chance of resisting the fear at high levels of MR, less chance of resisting lava breath, but still some chance of getting hit even at insanely high resists because he's 5 levels higher than you. Also I fail to see how it can be a better strategy to use pets when pets have a much higher chance of getting feared than players, since you can't buff their MR as high with Bard songs. If you're walling the ae's so that the pets don't get hit, then do the same with your non-pets. And you don't even need to wall hop - last time I killed naggy we had 17 people, didn't wall the ae's, and didn't use a single charmed pet, so I'm thinking you just had bad luck.

shouldnt nagafen be 53?

on blue nexona is like this, nobody stacks fire resist, because with 400 fire resist you are going to resist 1/10.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists weren't very helpful vs significantly higher level mobs on Live either. Fuck even in Live with 755 to all resists or w/e it's capped @ currently I still get hit by everything from NPC's. As far as the actual discussion, which is resists vs. PC's, it was known that almost all magic spells were completely worthless but yet hear even with 200+ MR I consistently get mezzed, nuked, etc. My only real complaint about it is that for a server that consistently tells us "you can't have X cuz not classic" it sure seems hard to change the BIGGEST aspect of EQ PVP which is resists, to not be classic. It doesn't hurt or help me so it's not a cry, just an observation. Personally, I have no issue with nukes being scaled by resists, but CC spells need to be almost 100% resistant above 100ish MR. No other game has CC spells the like that EQ does where you can literally lock people down an entire fight.

Dude i have a hell of a time landing mezzes, whirls etc on a raid buffed nihil..

Ill admit im still not finished with my sol ro tash, so i use a terrible tash, but i can still seem to land a mez 1/6ish on a well MR'd target. If youre say 47 or so, with 90 mr, be prepared to get mezzed 4/5 times, rooted 3/5 times.

[bamzal]

Originally Posted by AppleJacks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I see is a lot of FF half ass complaining with no real evidence to back anything up... Bamzal is clearly upset that I killed him. It's not my fault he thought he was awesome and decided to spend 15 minutes fighting a mage pet. Finally zoned into UGuk at 20% hp.. I followed.. nuked twice (both of which u partially resisted) and you DIED. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Take a look at the SS Retribution doesn't hit for 177, it usually hits for 400ish pvp therefore you partially resisted! Do your research whiny baby. And for the record all my roots/stuns/blind hardly ever land anymore at level 50 pvp since resists were tweaked. I think they are fine the way they are. I have over 120 FR and CR and I still get IC and Starfired for full damage. Here is the lesson learned for Bamzal.. don't fight mage pets, DUMB, and don't sit there (you resisted 4 roots) and let a cleric nuke yo[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]u when you have less than 500 hp! <3 Good day.

Oh, hai Apple! Nice that you could pop in and determine why this thread is such a hot topic... Looks like you nailed it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you only read the first post. That, or else you just have nothing of value to add to this discussion; which is regarding what PvP was really like during the classical era (what this server should try to mimic).

Since you clearly have no idea, please go re-read some of my previous posts in this thread. Also, I'll throw up some more classical era pvp-related posts for you to further familiarize yourself with.

Get back to me when it clicks in [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[heartbrand]

Maybe I just have terrible luck but I got chain snared/bard mezzed vs Tune the other day @ 230~ MR, and you landed a Mezz on me for lol's the other day when I was bard buffed at 365 MR. That seems retarded to me.