Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A mage is doing 56 (Pet) + 22 (Burnt Wood Staff) + 4 (DS) = 82 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

A Shaman is doing 26 (JBB) + 18 (Pet) = 44 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

I think you're heavily underestimating the damage of both the Mage pet and DS here, and the Mage is still nearly double the Shaman DPS. That really says it all, IMO.

If someone is able to perform the test I suggested in this post, I think it will be very apparent how much more DPS the Mage is actually doing.

Proposed test:

Originally Posted by Vexenu

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol looks like someone got angry and voted 14 times with a VPN[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riiiight. That's what happened.



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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're heavily underestimating the damage of both the Mage pet and DS here, and the Mage is still nearly double the Shaman DPS. That really says it all, IMO.

If someone is able to perform the test I suggested in this post, I think it will be very apparent how much more DPS the Mage is actually doing.

Proposed test:

In the videos I posted I showed the average hits that got through, unslowed. The problem with DS is it loses a LOT of DPS if you want to talk about mobs dying in 30 seconds. The mobs just don't get a lot of hits off hehe. A Mage would have only gotten 3.7 DPS from my video.

If you want to say I am underestimating Mage pet DPS, you need to bring logs. Troxx's logs show a level 60 Water pet unfocused with Enchanter haste doing 56 DPS on average. I would love to see more Mage data, but people are trolling instead of spending time gathering it.

His extended grouping parse only showed 40 DPS for his pet, which probably includes pet control time, but I will be generous and keep the 56 DPS number. The other Mage who posted said her Epic Pet was doing 47 DPS on Stanos, and 45-50 on Vindi (not sure if this was an Epic pet or not). From all the data given, Mage Pet average DPS is realistically somewhere around 45-55 DPS. We would need more data to solidify the exact number.

As I keep saying, the difference in DPS matters. Saying "double" sounds nice, but it's only a difference of 30. That is saving you 6 seconds per kill hehe. If you are killing a mob with 8000 HP in 36 seconds, your group has a DPS of 222. Changing that to 192 increases the time to 42 seconds. However, a Shaman can do other things to help the group, so they can help save time in other ways.

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[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop being a sore loser.

Honestly it depends on the camp, which is why 3x Enchanters isn't always best.

Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Fungi King.

Mage/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Juggs due to CoTH.

Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Ixiblat Fer since you need Malo to get him slowed.

Enchanter/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better in Chardok, and could swap an Enchanter for a Necro since there are plenty of undead. Mage if you were doing Royals for CoTH.

3x enchanter and cleric would still be better at every camp you just listed, and probaly not by a little bit. Shaman slow is 75% and enchanter slow is 70%

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probaly

[PlsNoBan]

This is the longest DSM hasn't posted in days. I hope he's okay.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to say I am underestimating Mage pet DPS, you need to bring logs. Troxx's logs show a level 60 Water pet unfocused with Enchanter haste doing...

Whoever said I was using enchanter haste?? Why would I use enchanter haste when I can give my own pet 60str/65% haste in a single buff?

Please stop making stuff up or putting words in other people’s mouths.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Burnout_IV

Spell cast

https://wiki.project1999.com/Muzzle_of_Mardu

Worn

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoever said I was using enchanter haste?? Why would I use enchanter haste when I can give my own pet 60str/65% haste in a single buff?

Please stop making stuff up or putting words in other people’s mouths.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Burnout_IV

Spell cast

https://wiki.project1999.com/Muzzle_of_Mardu

Worn

Lol stop being so defensive. I am not putting words in your mouth or making stuff up, I just made a simple mistake. At the end of the day the haste percentage was the best it can be for your pet. My point was simply that your pet was already buffed with haste, so you aren't going to find more pet DPS somewhere. It would have actually been better if your pet was Enchanter hasted, because then you could get more DPS on future parses if you used Burnout IV instead.

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3x enchanter and cleric would still be better at every camp you just listed, and probaly not by a little bit. Shaman slow is 75% and enchanter slow is 70%

The reason why you bring a Shaman to Ixiblat and Fungi King is because the mobs have high resists. You want the Malo -> Malosini to get the slow landed. This is especially true on Ixiblat. It is quite tough to land slow. Could you do it with 3x Enchanters? I am sure. But you are increasing the time the mob is unslowed, which increases the risk of something bad happening like your pet getting chewed up, or an Enchanter gaining agro due to slowing too much.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol stop being so defensive. I am not putting words in your mouth or making stuff up, I just made a simple mistake. At the end of the day the haste percentage was the best it can be for your pet. My point was simply that your pet was already buffed with haste, so you aren't going to find more pet DPS somewhere. It would have actually been better if your pet was Enchanter hasted, because then you could get more DPS on future parses if you used Burnout IV instead.



The reason why you bring a Shaman to Ixiblat and Fungi King is because the mobs have high resists. You want the Malo -> Malosini to get the slow landed. This is especially true on Ixiblat. It is quite tough to land slow. Could you do it with 3x Enchanters? I am sure. But you are increasing the time the mob is unslowed, which increases the risk of something bad happening like your pet getting chewed up, or an Enchanter gaining agro due to slowing too much.

Mage’s have mala/sini
Edit: there Pets can use swarmcaller, we use to slow vulak that way, yours can’t.