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[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe its competition...

Maybe its christianity...

Maybe its the enlightenment and the founding fathers

Or maybe....just maybe....it was all just a big headstart from WW2; we aren't the best and should stop jerking ourselves off long enough to assess why that is.

China has a much stronger family unit I might add. But it has been a problem. The logical end-point of a competitive system is an oligarchic monopoly. Capitalism doesn't work in the long run, its just good to get the factories running faster than they would otherwise. The Chinese and their strong family ties excelerate this. That's probably how they passed us in government innovation despite their disadvantages in the great war eras. They understood the problems of concentrated inherited wealth better.

Right and Americans act like we don't already have central planning and that we haven't implemented any communist/socialist policies. Its called the Dept of Agriculture and if you think that isn't textbook communist central planning you're an idiot.

Extend the central planning on commodities to corporations. Its not hard. If you half-step with central planning you end up with perverse crony-capitalism, the current worst-case scenario. The US needs to finish what has already been started since the 1950's.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right and Americans act like we don't already have central planning. Its called the Dept of Agriculture and if you think that isn't textbook communist central planning you're an idiot.

Well we all have central planning.

But America is has the most open system (meaning any lobbyist from any country can try to influence power...try that in China or something). Their is the least amount of welfare and the most amount of personal freedom (but not the least amount of taxes -- LOL).

It's the least centrally planned out of all the major power economies....the other blaring difference between us and other great powers, is that we are the military state that has a far stronger military than anyone in the world.

It's expensive -- especially when you also finance the highest number of millionaires, billionaires, and trust fund kids. The welfare that does exist seems more for the benefit of the bureaucrats it employs than the people its supposed to help. There isn't alot of hope or money for the working class. Relative to other great powers that is. If were not certain you would be born rich -- picking America as a country to be born in would be a lot more stupid than any other great power besides Russia.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's expensive -- especially when you also finance the highest number of millionaires, billionaires, and trust fund kids. The welfare that does exist seems more for the benefit of the bureaucrats it employs than the people its supposed to help. There isn't alot of hope or money for the working class. Relative to other great powers that is. If were not certain you would be born rich -- picking America as a country to be born in would be a lot more stupid than any other great power besides Russia.

Agree w/ the last sentiment especially with regard to the numbers. The wage stagnation has been crazy. Its hard to believe since 1990's wages have only declined and have not risen an inch since 1999. Every American is just 1 accident or medical expense away from abject poverty and the corporations are complicit in their effort to maintain the best bottom line possible, aka wage slavery or feudalism. The tax cuts were passed. The Disney heiress said she will only pocket 30 million in pure cash as a result. The idea that it goes anywhere but Wallstreet to various finance funds is archaic and hopefully this last tax cut is something millennial will remember the next time its offered as a solution to a stagnant middle class economy.

The welfare that does exist seems more for the benefit of the bureaucrats it employs than the people its supposed to help.

I felt that was the most profound thing you said and very worthy of highlight. You have a fresh perspective.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second that. Does Skarlorn get an honorary admittance for having resided in Houston?

https://youtu.be/yxPZ3yplwR0

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The family is a stronger unit in many shithole countries compared to Western Europe and especially America. Strong family unit = corruption. So its not the cure all for societies ills. It certainly does not stem from Christianity

Christianity means a thousand different things to a thousand different self-identified Christians, and is not responsible for school shootings, imperialism, or American greatness. It was coincidence.

Obviously, people are religious. The most powerful country is going to have a religion. That religion happened to be Christianity. Which again, means whatever people seem to want it to. ATM "not-Muslim/Buddhist" seems to be the working definition of most people. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the million different kinds of protestants with all there different political views.

That is not a cohesive unit. Except for when your trying to round people up to oppose faceless and nameless Muslims and communists.

Edit: its particularly stupid to solo out the culture that invented the "nuclear family" and then -- out of all ways to explain it -- hold up the religion Christianity as particularly pro family. In fact. I think you might be the exact opposite of right. I think Christianity may not sufficiently support family, put too much emphasis on the individual and their salvation, and this decrease in family loyalty allowed us to pull ahead building up to WW2. The decline of America probably coincides with increase in family loyalty, friendly ties, and corruption.

Christianity is just the Middle of the road religion that was one pillar of a culture that came out of the Roman Empire. Both the history of the Roman political unit and the religion are important

I'm not saying to be a dogmatic retard who believes Jonah literally got swallowed by a whale. I'm simplying saying your generation makes excuses before it even tries and is generally spineless, dickless, sexless, penniless, and senseless

Hope this helps! Stop making mistakes!!!!

Also dude hop off China's dick I'm telling you Japan America & India will "dunk" on them

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

me running daywolf off the forums was one thing but now ur going to run domo off the forums? Not on my watch pal

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Haha I lol'ed

[Patriam1066]

How the fuck was Steven seagal famous

[JurisDictum]

The truth is that Christianity used to be very violent. Then enlightenment ideas of non-violence soften Christian countries. This is sometimes during/after the colonial era that Christianity becomes less about trying to control the world by sword if necessary.

And it goes to show you how society always seemed to meld Christianity...more-so than the other way around. The idea of a Christian capitalist in Jesus time didn't make any sense...but boy did christian capitalists become common in America. Both in the first guilded age in the 1800s and the 2nd now a days.

Back in the day, like 1100 A.D. Christians literally rounded up as many strong men as they could find, put them on a boat, and had them just go kill random enemies throughout Europe. They would like roll into a town of Jews and kill them for being Jewish -- or any other group like Muslims or Eastern Orthodox Christians. They didn't even really think or struggle with this, it was just what seemed like the thing to do at the time. Because from societies standpoint, a bunch of thugs that couldn't read lead by some incestuous king, just killing enemies wherever they are seemed like a good idea...more territory for us.

The entire concept that its not OK to kill your enemies is not a dark age idea. I'm starting to wonder if its a good idea at all. Does it really help everyone?

Or does it just replace one kind of alpha (big strong men) with another (social climbing nerds good with numbers). I'm not entirely convinced that being lead by super smart nerds good with numbers is panning out as well as being lead by strongmen.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The truth is that Christianity used to be very violent. Then enlightenment ideas of non-violence soften Christian countries. This is sometimes during/after the colonial era that Christianity becomes less about trying to control the world by sword if necessary.

And it goes to show you how society always seemed to meld Christianity...more-so than the other way around. The idea of a Christian capitalist in Jesus time didn't make any sense...but boy did christian capitalists become common in America. Both in the first guilded age in the 1800s and the 2nd now a days.

Back in the day, like 1100 A.D. Christians literally rounded up as many strong men as they could find, put them on a boat, and had them just go kill random enemies throughout Europe. They would like roll into a town of Jews and kill them for being Jewish -- or any other group like Muslims or Eastern Orthodox Christians. They didn't even really think or struggle with this, it was just what seemed like the thing to do at the time. Because from societies standpoint, a bunch of thugs that couldn't read lead by some incestuous king, just killing enemies wherever they are seemed like a good idea...more territory for us.

The entire concept that its not OK to kill your enemies is not a dark age idea. I'm starting to wonder if its a good idea at all. Does it really help everyone?

Or does it just replace one kind of alpha (big strong men) with another (social climbing nerds good with numbers). I'm not entirely convinced that being lead by super smart nerds good with numbers is panning out as well as being lead by strongmen.

Christianity doesn’t conflict with capitalism.

As Gods son, Jesus gave from a position of great abundance. Christians are encouraged to do the same but that doesn’t necessarily mean give away all your money as soon as you make it. For all of Jesus’s lessons there’s also interpretation on how to implement them.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Christianity doesn’t conflict with capitalism.

As Gods son, Jesus gave from a position of great abundance. Christians are encouraged to do the same but that doesn’t necessarily mean give away all your money as soon as you make it. For all of Jesus’s lessons there’s also interpretation on how to implement them.

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Before Christianity hitched its wagon to western imperialism -- it was not pro capitalist. Adam Smith saw Christianity as a counter-balance to capitalism to prevent it from declining into a oligopolistic dystopia.