US capital building gets breached. Is this the end?

[FatherSioux]

Call to arms? Please, so dramatic. Trump did not issue a call to arms. Just more of the hyperbolic spin that people hate.

The people at the Capital genuinely believe the election was stolen/fraudulent. The means by which it was stolen/fraudulent varies.

Endless media spin is an option there that is ignored.

Hilarious watching you baboons act like a guy calling for the eradication of a religious group is less evil and violent than calling for a protest. The protest got out of hand and that’s a fact. Another fact is it’s not Trumps fault. Just like it wasn’t Bernie Sanders fault when that nut job actually shot up a baseball game after Bernie claimed they were killing grandmas.

See the wildly disparate treatment of those situations? Bernie follows that “call to arms” up with a president candidacy run. Trump gets banned from the public square.

[Jibartik]

Do you guys think Trump and Assange are gonna have to be roomies?

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[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My big beef with all of this isn't Trump, Liberals, Pelosi.. gay men or women. Heck, it isn't even the transvesstites.

Have you noticed that the Internet went from "Oh cool, people from all over the world. I can wait to ask an Australian if he knows Crocodile Dundee!"

to

Whatever the hell this stuff is.

I blame Steve Jobs.

Social media is likely the single worst thing that was ever introduced to the internet. I'm surprised people are even mentioning Twitter here when Facebook pretty aggressively helped fuel shit.

This dumbass forum is about the closest interaction I have with anything resembling social media, I enjoy discussing things with people that vehemently disagree with me. Mostly though I like the dichotomy of how heated threads like this are, but then I go one thread down and its like "AWW YEAH WHO LIKES SOME FUCKIN STEAK?!" and then I'm talking about cooking steaks with those same people.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This dumbass forum is about the closest interaction I have with anything resembling social media, I enjoy discussing things with people that vehemently disagree with me. Mostly though I like the dichotomy of how heated threads like this are, but then I go one thread down and its like "AWW YEAH WHO LIKES SOME FUCKIN STEAK?!" and then I'm talking about cooking steaks with those same people.

Excellent point. Speaking of that, I bought some Ribeye in Colorado and it was like 1/4 inches thick...super thin and it was weird. Cooked up wonderfully but it was strange

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excellent point. Speaking of that, I bought some Ribeye in Colorado and it was like 1/4 inches thick...super thin and it was weird. Cooked up wonderfully but it was strange

I overcook those constantly. But, I'd bet that shit would be dope for like...beef and broccoli or something. Slice it up thin. I recently did that with "round" cut and fuuuuuuck that that sucked. That shit is chewy as fuck. But ribeye would be great. Ribeyes are fuckin awesome. I'm not even huge on filet mignon, the cap on the ribeye is just too fucking good.

My store has some weird boner for either having cuts like that, or cuts that are like 2 inches thick that would feed a family, its irritating.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Social media is likely the single worst thing that was ever introduced to the internet.

I agree, the good things it has brought are outweighed by the bad things.

You could argue that EQ and message boards (like this) were the early form of social media.

http://bhagpuss.blogspot.com/2019/04...everquest.html

One of the reasons frequently cited for the decline of the genre is the contemperaneous rise of social media. It's become a truism to assert that turn-of-the-century MMORPGs were the social media of their day. For many hundreds of thousands - millions - of people, playing an online game provided their first and for a while their only experience of talking in real time to friends and strangers around the world.

But the Internet was still closed off, typically only one way to access it. That involved money, time and interest and that is beyond most consumers. Self filtering.
Less rules and post whatever you want because "relax, it's the internet."

Cellphones made it real, translates into the real world. Did any of you old school guys read about something crazy on the Internet then go do it, later try to use an excuse like "but I seen it on the Internet.."

How much do we have to walk on eggshells now, will promoting a raid and beating an enemy team be seen as hateful or whatever-the-hell the new kids are on these days.

This doesn't typically make good music or games. What is counter-culture today and do we still need one?

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, the good things it has brought are outweighed by the bad things.

You could argue that EQ and message boards (like this) were the early form of social media.

http://bhagpuss.blogspot.com/2019/04...everquest.html



But the Internet was still closed off, typically only one way to access it. That involved money, time and interest and that is beyond most consumers. Self filtering.
Less rules and post whatever you want because "relax, it's the internet."

Cellphones made it real, translates into the real world. Did any of you old school guys read about something crazy on the Internet then go do it, later try to use an excuse like "but I seen it on the Internet.."

How much do we have to walk on eggshells now, will promoting a raid and beating an enemy team be seen as hateful or whatever-the-hell the new kids are on these days.

This doesn't typically make good music or games. What is counter-culture today and do we still need one?

Yep. Low IQ dullards with envious hearts and a penchant for connivery and literalism ruin everything.

Precisely why the p99 raid scene has to be arbitrated to the letter of the law, because too **** to rule themselves with the spirit of the law.

This itself has incredibly striking parallels to both the faith, and the current sociopolitical environment around the world.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, the good things it has brought are outweighed by the bad things.

You could argue that EQ and message boards (like this) were the early form of social media.

I think they were, but I think the difference was that you sort of had to find those forums? With facebook and instagram you're just getting the hot beef injection of all the shit all day every day from everywhere. I think they made it too easy to encapsulate yourself in your own echo chamber, or potentially worse, get sucked into someone else's echo chamber and become a part of it.

I don't think anti-vaxx, crystal hugging, herb huffing, self-help, pseudo-science mom groups would exist or have ever acquired the following they did without the help of shit like facebook. I don't doubt forums for those sorts of people existed beforehand, but the blast radius of who knew about them was drastically smaller, and instead of being able to inundate themselves constantly all day, they'd eventually have to talk to normal fucking people who'd be like "No that's bullshit".

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think they were, but I think the difference was that you sort of had to find those forums? With facebook and instagram you're just getting the hot beef injection of all the shit all day every day from everywhere. I think they made it too easy to encapsulate yourself in your own echo chamber, or potentially worse, get sucked into someone else's echo chamber and become a part of it.

Good point. In fact, some conservatives feel they are being silenced because the 'app' (marketing) is removed from their stores, you can't just click a button and load it up easy peasy.

edit: Here is an examle, I found audio science review recently when I was searching for different ways to power my new headphones. AFAIK there are no official apps.

hmm, maybe I should be rooting for conservative sites to be removed from stores. Makes them cooler and harder to reach. I mean, I usually think its beyond lame when something goes official anyway.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Call to arms? Please, so dramatic. Trump did not issue a call to arms. Just more of the hyperbolic spin that people hate.

The people at the Capital genuinely believe the election was stolen/fraudulent. The means by which it was stolen/fraudulent varies.

Endless media spin is an option there that is ignored.

Hilarious watching you baboons act like a guy calling for the eradication of a religious group is less evil and violent than calling for a protest. The protest got out of hand and that’s a fact. Another fact is it’s not Trumps fault. Just like it wasn’t Bernie Sanders fault when that nut job actually shot up a baseball game after Bernie claimed they were killing grandmas.

See the wildly disparate treatment of those situations? Bernie follows that “call to arms” up with a president candidacy run. Trump gets banned from the public square.

Well, it is Trump's fault (he was gleeful about them storming the Capitol while it was happening), but I think it would be difficult to convict him of an actual crime. While Trump is a really stupid person when it comes to a lot of things, one thing he is not an idiot about is how to manipulate people who he views as less intelligent than himself (i.e. his base). He was already good at that before he ran for President and his time in office has taught him how to do it in a way that potentially allows him to avoid personal liability/culpability. That's why if you look at his speech, it's relatively clear what he is trying to do, but he carefully words it so that he can't actually be liable for it...and it's also right out of Trump's playbook: get other people to do what you want done and have them take the fall for you while you avoid responsibility for it (these guys are going to jail because of him now).

To use a more simplistic analogy, what Trump has done is like getting someone to think about maybe buying the parts to a bomb, then getting them to decide to actually buy the parts to a bomb, then decide to put those parts together into a bomb, then to bring that bomb to a gathering, then (knowing that person has a bomb) to convince that person and the other people at the gathering to go to a specific location. Then the bomb goes off. You know they had the bomb with them, you knew if they got to a specific location that tempers and passions would likely boil over and they would do something violent like set the bomb off, but you don't explicitly tell them to go there and set the bomb off...you just tell them to go there. So he probably can't be criminally liable (although in a civil suit, like wrongful death for example, that's probably enough to find him guilty), meanwhile his supporters who he knew would do something get to go to jail while he later throws them under the bus after encouraging their behavior.

Phrases like:

“We fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

"You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen."

"You don’t concede when there’s theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal."

“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."

"We are going to take back our country."

"You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.” (Btw, ironic that he talks about strength because when he got scared about what would happen to him after the riot he immediately threw everyone else under the bus and got down on his knees like a pussy)

All of those things are him knowing how his militant base will take those words. He can avoid criminal liability because he didn't tell them to do it, but he is likely civilly liable because it's clear that he was trying to engineer it without explicitly telling them to do it (especially when viewed in the context of all of his comments/actions over the past couple months AND especially his actions during and after the insurrection).