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[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Deep down if you are a common working person and identify with Boris Johnson (an upper class wealthy man who acts like a baffoon despite being fiercely intelligent and has been caught out being PUBLICALLY racist) then something is likely amiss.

The whole thing with Corbyn and anti semitism i am activley looking at. If true it's an issue, but in fairness just as much as an issue as Johnson ragging on muslims.

What i DO know is he was arrested for refusing to pay poll tax (something he could EASIIIIILY afford) and arrested for protesting against anti apartheid. Ever hear of Boris Johnson protesting against anything? Being strong armed away by the police? Nor have i.

He is far more the common person representing the interests of the common person.

[Jimjam]

Is Corbin really antisemite? He seems to dislike Israel, but that isn't exactly the same thing.

He seems willing to be forge discourse instead of stonewalling, which I view as important to facilitate the peace process. Ironically the Good Friday agreement that ended the troubles, but also impedes Brexit was impart due to Brexit: I guess as a Eurosceptic his negotiating down of terrorists ended up being his own undoing!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Exactly my thoughts. I'm not fully sure where the whole anti semite thing comes from (thus me needed to investigate).

I <do> know where Boris johnsons stuff comes from because it was caught on camera with sufficient witnesses.

Regardless any common working class person who votes for Mr Johnson is either deluding themselves into thinking they are a higher class than they are (which the Tories will be MORE than happy to cure their delusions of) or are voting for the person and not the party too much.

It's been so long since the UK has had a REAL labour government (Diet Tory Tony Blair doesnt count). Think Carry on Films and a real labour government is more the time line afaik.

People say "whaaaa Corbyn hasnt been effective". Yes well to be fair he has no real POWER as he isn't "IN" power.

Seems clear to me we either take a chance with actual change or just leave the hands of the UK in the upper class wealthy elites who have shown their hand for the past 9 years.

Also calling a general election when students are JUST coming home for the xmas so they likely will not be voting (because so many dont realize you can REGISTER to vote in 2 places). Dick move. Truely the calculated move of the desperate.

Its no coincidence that this was done, the tories know the majority of young people are going to vote labour. By tactically trying to exclude them they increase their share. Despicable tactics.

[Thrombosis]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole "comrade corbyn" thing is weird. Wanting to nationalize things isn't communist. It's normal to nationalize services, tons of countries worldwide have nationalized power, rail, communications etc.

WE are the odd ones out. People parrot on about TAKING BACK CONTROL. Fine go on about immigration all you want, but we wont have real control back till we control the things which keep us alive.

Currently out grid part owned by UK and otherwise between canadian, chinese, german and middle eastern companies among others.

A fair portion of our rail network is french, german and dutch owned.

Our post is at least 21% owned by a german consortium.

Nationalization will hurt to begin with and will have issues. No doubt. But dont blame those who seek to nationaize it. Blame those who privatized in the past.

Selling things off is easy and gets a quick buck. Keeping things in our control may be tougher in the long run but is better for our country.

I can't think of a single reason anyone who is parroting this "taking back control" stuff could have to OPPOSE renationalization of utilities and services.

You realise the socialist wing of the Labour Party revel in referring to themselves as "comrade" - it's literally how the Labour Party Conference is addressed.

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country, but I am old enough to remember Mrs Thatcher's market reforms that brought about many improvements e.g. it was common for it to take months for a BT technician to connect your home to a phone line (unless you knew a corrupt one, of which there were many), and you had to buy your phone from BT. Now it takes days, and you can buy any phone you want from anywhere.

I personally don't really care whether a service provider is state-owned or privately owned, what I do care about is that there is competition in the market so I can chose who I buy from. Of course, some things are natural monopolies such as Royal Mail, which I agree should never have been privatised - interestingly it was both Labour (under Blair) and the Conservatives who pushed that through to implement EU competition law. The rail network also was a disaster when it was privatised, so is rightly back in national hands, I'm not decided about the train-operating companies - I'm fortunate to live in the South-East and I can see that they've invested in new trains which are much better than the ancient slam-door trains that were used after British Rail was privatised. I know that's not the case everywhere and Northern Rail is a disgrace (they got our second-hand trains).

Ultimately I fear you will have less control than you think over a nationalised service provider, the only control we as individuals have is to take our business elsewhere, sometimes that's not possible, but where it is there should be consumer choice.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

All i know is my area is fully privatised buses. Local bus company has the monopoly. Prices hikes all the time.

Its my ONLY option to get to work and they know it. Any discounts, offers etc do not apply before 9am (E.g. when people go to work).

Comrade did not originate from communist roots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade

I dunno what to tell you, it may be they are indeed using it in the communist way but also possible because Labour members are naturally more a group of people with shared ideals. I dont think its far of a stretch to say all that connects Tory members is the love of money and power....HONESTLY i mean that.

In general someone with socialist views (actual socialist views) are less likely to screw over a colleague for monetary gain.

The same cannot be said about someone with more capitalist views. Let be honest.

Perhaps i will have less control than i want but i know it will be harder for the COUNTRY to be held to ransom by another country. If any of these EU countries which own massive parts of our power, water, rail etc have economic issues how will they get some easy money?

Yep, by jacking up the prices of OUR services.

Not what i call taking power back. Sounds to me like making quick money NOW and hoping things work out later.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I almost can have respect that she truely believed some of the things she did were for the good of the country.

I respect her as a politician far more than shithawks like Boris Johnson and David Cameron etc, i doubt thatcher would of had much time for them.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country

You're old enough to have seen the cold winds of the tories making people use food banks as though its normal though.

It's ok though its "uplifting" to see people going cap in hand to charities to get spaghetti hoops im sure. They probably deserve it (shitehawks like Priti Patel, Rees Mogg, Duncan Smith, Amber Rudd etc seem to think so)

[Thrombosis]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Austerity is just controlled poverty. It would work if they not just obviously giving contracts for government stuff to their mates and getting kickbacks.

It's all so obvious and they are laughing at the common people because we are powerless to anything about it (E.g. carillion collapsing with the ceos earning millions)

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

My kids dont get school dinners now either. Which is ok, they can have packed lunches but mate so many kids who families are poor now dont even get a school dinner. Who cares if its not ala carte, for some familes it was the only hot meal they got in a day.

How much did taking this away save the goverment? Not a drop in the ocean compared to the tax they dont pay or what they embezzle in expenses.

Between cuts like this and forcing to people into foodbanks its NO CONTEST to me who is on the side of the common man.

The amount of people who have to go cap in hand hungry in this country is clown shoes. We are supposed to be one of the most developed countries. Disgusting.