Necro or Enchanter for a solo class?

[Vanessa]

I was wondering what most people's opinion's were on solo leveling as an Enchanter vs a Necro? Most of what I've read on the forums seems to suggest that Enchanters are the best solo class because of charm, even though it is apparently not very reliable? However I always thought it was Necro's who were the best solo leveling class, also don't they get charm spells as well?

What are the main differences between the 2 classes in regards to playing as solo player, other then Enchanters get Clarity and Necros have a summonable pet?


Edit: Also quick added question, which of the classes would have an easier time with practically zero gear, or at least a very small amount?

[justin2090]

I think necro is better lvl'n because of the different ways they can kill stuff. Takes some of the monotony out of the game. Enchanter is better for higher lvl camps and wanted in groups more. Necro has alot of group tools but enchanter just wins out with haste, better cc, and clarity.

It's a long road either way so I would say just play whatever will keep your attention the longest.

[Estu]

Both are very powerful soloers. Enchanters do win out because they can charm anything, not just undead, which makes them more versatile in choosing camps. Both classes have a lot of useful tools for soloing: necros have snare, root, feign death, lifetaps, and lich (+mana regen at the cost of health), while enchanters have tons of mezzes, lulls, and stuns, as well as root, clarity, and slows.

EXP per hour with charming is gonna be faster than any other non-bard method, so whichever class you're playing, if you want to level as quickly as possible, charming is the way to go. From what I've heard, on Live charming was considerably harder than it is on P99, since it broke more often than here and root was also less reliable than here. So on Live, necro was maybe the faster leveler; on here, not necessarily so.

In my opinion, the enchanter beats out the necromancer in practically every way. The only thing you can really say the necromancer is much better at is lazy leveling: you can do easy stuff like root+dot or snare+fear+pet+dot which isn't as involved as charming and won't level you up as fast, but is nice if you want a more relaxed way to level.

In terms of gear, you can level both from scratch, no doubt. Charisma is definitely useful for enchanters, but you can do fine early on without having heaps of it. Enchanters can make money with jewelcrafting, even early on with silver and electrum combines, which can help you fund your own jewelry (easy +cha, +int, and +hp) as well as help you buy other gear.

[webrunner5]

Estu have some damn good advice on his post. I guess it is up to you playing style wise. I will admit Charming is the fastest way to go but it takes a shitpot full of consecration to pull it off. It gets very stressful in the long run.

A Necro is a bit more laid back, but because of that can get repetitive as hell also. A Necro gets every spell in the game high end other than SoW or Ports. And with J Boots that only leaves one.

But a Enchanter is more than welcomed in any group where a Necro it is sort of hard to get in a group. Very few people play them like they have to the potential too. I think when Velious comes out their Dots will have time to run their course and become more viable as a group member then. As of now mobs just die to quick to cast a DoT and the pet does not do enough DPS compared to a Mage pet to bother.

So now a Necro is pretty much a solo class on here and a Enchanter can be both. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But a Chanter takes a LOT of Cha gear to be good at Chamring.

[DrKvothe]

I honestly don't know why everyone isn't an enchanter. They're the most important class in groups, they're the strongest soloing class, and they can duo/trio extremely effectively with most other classes. They don't have to worry as much as other classes about faction, they get their OT hammer for free, and they don't have a terrible exp penalty.

They have, imo, the most diverse options for how to play out of all the classes. You can charm a pet, send it into a group, root the whole group, break charm when pet is low and nuke pet, rinse and repeat with the rest of the group. You can help 2 mobs work their way through each other's hp, break charm, nuke them both. You can fear kite with a rogue pet backstabbing, particularly effective in outdoor zones with a snarer duo. You can root a really tough mob, charm it long enough to give it weapons and buff it, break charm and keep it rooted and use it to bring down the hp of other charmed mobs (when they're low hp, break charm and nuke). And there's more strategies that open up when duoing/trioing.

[thieros]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly don't know why everyone isn't an enchanter

because then you can't afk!

[kaev]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly don't know why everyone isn't an enchanter....

Chanters can't raid alone you know. There are vital roles to fulfill:

Ranger: take the DT to make the raid official
Warrior: scream "Wait for assist dammit! Stop being bad!"
Paladin: complain about being unimportant then ghost when you hit 60
Shadowknight: be stoic so nobody mistakes you for an ugly Paladin without an epic
Druid: ask in /gu what class alt you should twink to be useful at a raid
Cleric: band together with the other Clerics to use the Warrior as the focus for your amazing stackable damage soaking ability
Shaman: be a raid buffing hero for a month or two and then ghost when you get Torpor
Necro: twitch them Clerics, then FD so you can rez a Cleric after the wipe because everybody ignored the Warrior
Mage: boast about awesome epic pet, whine about all the resists, poop modrods like you've got a bad case of the shits
Wizard: nuke shit because "OMG I am actually desired and useful here!"
Rogue: stab shit because the damned Wizards always go OOM
Bard: stand around looking sharp, giving godly resists to your group., and thinking well of yourself
Monk: somebody's gotta train the raid Buckwheat, and you're elected!

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chanters can't raid alone you know. There are vital roles to fulfill:

Ranger: take the DT to make the raid official

Well! In velious, this changes to ;

Ranger : pop WS for 24 seconds of being an aggro generation unit and then splatting all over the tank.

[Satren]

Originally Posted by MarcusD [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen an enchanter soloing and I have seen heaps of necros, druids, monks, and especially mages soloing so even though my experience is limited that should give you some indication that enchanter players prefer to group for whatever reason they may have.

You have never seen it therefor it does not exist! Get over your self with some of your questions you maybe have spent a few months playing EQ.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by MarcusD [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen an enchanter soloing and I have seen heaps of necros, druids, monks, and especially mages soloing so even though my experience is limited that should give you some indication that enchanter players prefer to group for whatever reason they may have.

Because the enchanters are deeper in the dungeons soloing harder mobs to get some pixels to go along with their exp.

Enchanter solo capabilities are 10x of every class you just listed.