The Good Book

[loramin]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slavery was widespread in the entire world, not just America. It still exists in Africa and other areas today.

You just don't hear about it.

Slavery has been around probably as long as humanity has been around, on every continent. It was not considered evil or immoral or just plain wrong until the renaissance, and that new viewpoint was largely ignored because it was an accepted practice around the world.

Not good to judge history through a 21st century lens.

Obviously we can't judge history through a modern lens, but you're just supporting my point: primitive people were ... primitive. All our ancestors were, whatever our ethnic background.

The arrival of the bible (which, BTW, came hundreds of years after Christ died ... imagine playing a game of telephone that goes on for hundreds of years, in a time before cell phones, email, or even postal service, and you'll realize how little the reality of Christ has anything to do with the bible) did not magically turn "bad people good".

Early (and modern) Christians are, on average, just as good/bad as non-Christians; their holy book didn't make them better people. They're just as moral as any other people, with any other holy text (or without one).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously we can't judge history through a modern lens, but you're just supporting my point: primitive people were ... primitive. All our ancestors were, whatever our ethnic background.

Assuming people from the past were stupid is also wrong.

[loramin]

Wow you're bad at English. You really think "primitive" = "stupid"?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow you're bad at English. You really think "primitive" = "stupid"?

In the context of the sentence that is what you are implying. But if you meant something else, please elaborate.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're just as moral as any other people, with any other holy text (or without one).

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the context of the sentence that is what you are implying. But if you meant something else, please elaborate.

Next time maybe try reading the context of the conversation before instead of just trying to come up with a witty one-liner to disagree with anything I say ... out of context?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time maybe try reading the context of the conversation before instead of just trying to come up with a witty one-liner to disagree with anything I say ... out of context?

You wrote the comment[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It is your responsibility to be clear. It is factually true people have used the word "primitive" to imply stupid. I cannot read your mind, so please elaborate on what you mean by "primitive people were ... primitive".

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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So you're saying several of our founding fathers have no morality? I call bullshit.

Thomas Jefferson (as just one example) literally made his own bible, by cutting out all superstitious parts. But I think it's pretty safe to say that he (and the rest of our deist founders) were all very good people, in a moral sense.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wrote the comment[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It is your responsibility to be clear. It is factually true people have used the word "primitive" to imply stupid. I cannot read your mind, so please elaborate on what you mean by "primitive people were ... primitive".

When someone shows up in the middle of a conversation and doesn't understand what's going on, because they couldn't be bothered to read/listen to the conversation that preceded it ... it's not their fault, it's the fault of the people having the conversation? Really?

We were very clearly having a conversation about slavery and other "primitive" practices before you chimed in.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying several of our founding fathers have no morality? I call bullshit.

Thomas Jefferson (as just one example) literally made his own bible, by cutting out all superstitious parts. But I think it's pretty safe to say that he (and the rest of our deist founders) were all very good people, in a moral sense.

Can be good(or bad) without it, but can't be moral. That's all.