Updated weapon aggro chart?

[|tda| fatal]

Hi,

Ive been afk from p99 for a few years and it seems like last patch completely changed hate procs on items now. Infestation feels like complete shit now with others also.

Is there an updated current aggro proc chart someone I can check out please?

[Snaggles]

They borked PR and DR counters. Rumor is they are going to change them back at some point.

Basically same "threshold hate" is around 400-500 cap (stuns, ac debuff, slow etc) outside the warrior red blade which is higher. In theory a landed SoD proc is highest since you get the DD + the micro stun.

A lot of people using frosties, sarnak hammers and the like. Prob ringed mace of the ykesha is good too.

[zelld52]

Herbalist Spade best aggro weapon for groups.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Herbalist Spade best aggro weapon for groups.

Yeah if you don't raid its easily the best. By far the most bang-for-your-buck weapon in the game.

[greatdane]

Eh, not really. Root is useful when it's spammable and on demand, but not even slightly reliable as a weapon proc. When you then add the fact that it's very likely to break on the first instance of non-physical damage, it's silly to call Herbalist Spade the best aggro weapon.

In a grind session, it probably won't proc at all on any given mob. Like the odds are maybe 10-20% that you'll ever root a mob, especially once you take resists into account. Root generates almost no aggro through its inherent effect, so it's all predicated on the mechanical aspect of a rooted mob always hitting the closest target.

Compare this to other conventional aggro weapons. When you proc a Frostbringer or whatever, you've almost certainly secured aggro on that mob for the whole 20 seconds it takes to kill it. With a spade, however, you only secure aggro if you proc and it isn't resisted and the root lasts throughout the fight.

Even if we discount mobs that can't be rooted at all (you're unlikely to grind on those), the layers of caveats to root's aggro-holding capabilities make it wildly unreliable as a weapon proc. It's nice on an earth pet that casts it every six seconds or something, but given the abysmal default proc rate and the strong likelihood that any tank in an exp group has crap dex if they aren't buffed by a shaman, it's simply not a good aggro weapon.

Go with weapons for which it doesn't matter if the proc is resisted or not, and where it can't break and become irrelevant at any moment. Besides, you have a 50% higher proc rate when dual-wielding (assuming both weapons have a real aggro proc) than with a 2h weapon. When all of that is taken into account, it takes a special level of ignorance to call the idiot's spade a suitable tank weapon.

As a rogue, I always groan when the tank pulls out a spade. It means he doesn't have aggro 90% of the time, and even when he does proc a root and it isn't resisted, it's unlikely to last more than a few seconds if the group has casters and/or DD-proccing pets. Meanwhile, if the tank knows how the game works and shows up with proper tank weapons, I know that I can go all out as soon as I see the proc graphics of that Frostbringer/Wavecrasher combo or whatever it is he's using. The spade is not a reliable tank weapon at all.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, not really. Root is useful when it's spammable and on demand, but not even slightly reliable as a weapon proc. When you then add the fact that it's very likely to break on the first instance of non-physical damage, it's silly to call Herbalist Spade the best aggro weapon.

In a grind session, it probably won't proc at all on any given mob. Like the odds are maybe 10-20% that you'll ever root a mob, especially once you take resists into account. Root generates almost no aggro through its inherent effect, so it's all predicated on the mechanical aspect of a rooted mob always hitting the closest target.

Compare this to other conventional aggro weapons. When you proc a Frostbringer or whatever, you've almost certainly secured aggro on that mob for the whole 20 seconds it takes to kill it. With a spade, however, you only secure aggro if you proc and it isn't resisted and the root lasts throughout the fight.

Even if we discount mobs that can't be rooted at all (you're unlikely to grind on those), the layers of caveats to root's aggro-holding capabilities make it wildly unreliable as a weapon proc. It's nice on an earth pet that casts it every six seconds or something, but given the abysmal default proc rate and the strong likelihood that any tank in an exp group has crap dex if they aren't buffed by a shaman, it's simply not a good aggro weapon.

Go with weapons for which it doesn't matter if the proc is resisted or not, and where it can't break and become irrelevant at any moment. Besides, you have a 50% higher proc rate when dual-wielding (assuming both weapons have a real aggro proc) than with a 2h weapon. When all of that is taken into account, it takes a special level of ignorance to call the idiot's spade a suitable tank weapon.

As a rogue, I always groan when the tank pulls out a spade. It means he doesn't have aggro 90% of the time, and even when he does proc a root and it isn't resisted, it's unlikely to last more than a few seconds if the group has casters and/or DD-proccing pets. Meanwhile, if the tank knows how the game works and shows up with proper tank weapons, I know that I can go all out as soon as I see the proc graphics of that Frostbringer/Wavecrasher combo or whatever it is he's using. The spade is not a reliable tank weapon at all.

Yeah Herbalist spade isn't the best proccing weapon for a full group. Still a decent weapon for a duo/trio though. For a full group I'd say go Frostbringer and the Wess. Decent ratio for both and good procs. 460 Hate for the Frostbringer Proc and 1200 hate for the Wess proc.

[Solist]

Do the most dps

XP groups aggro is irrelevent 90% of the time. Pick highest dps combo you have (reaver, exquisite, etc etc).

Once you're 60, aggro only matters so much as to say use any of the top 10 weapons in either hand and you'll be fine.

[Naethyn]

The best aggro weapon is your haste.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah Herbalist spade isn't the best proccing weapon for a full group. Still a decent weapon for a duo/trio though. For a full group I'd say go Frostbringer and the Wess. Decent ratio for both and good procs. 460 Hate for the Frostbringer Proc and 1200 hate for the Wess proc.

WESS is aggro threshold at like 400 or so. Same as stun. Since like almost 2 years ago when “aggro limited for any spell you cannot cast” patch went live. Get a sarnak warhammer, yak club, anything really. The WESS is quite bad.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WESS is aggro threshold at like 400 or so. Same as stun. Since like almost 2 years ago when “aggro limited for any spell you cannot cast” patch went live. Get a sarnak warhammer, yak club, anything really. The WESS is quite bad.

That's Incorrect. I have tested the WESS. The proc produces about 800 hate. The 400 hate cap on procs is per affect, not per proc. The WESS proc has 3 spell affects: a blind (400 hate), atk debuff (400 hate), and 4 poison counters (250 per counter, so about 1000 for the 4 counters, but poison counters are currently bugged, so no hate for this).