What do SK and Pal do end game?

[trite]

Paladins cast divine strength, shadow knights don't do anything the best. These classes especially paladin are probably the best at controlling charm breaks because of their snap agroe.

Paladins' ability to DA and shadow knights' ability to FD + pet add some utility for pulling Raid bosses. They are competent at tanking trash mobs and they can rampage tank trash in halls of testing...but in any situation other than charm breaks , if you have a hybrid tanking, your raid would be better off with a decent warrior doing the job.

Basically the hybrids are much more fun and better tanks while leveling to 60. Then they are terribly boring unless you are going to be a play maker for your guilds pull team. Honestly, if you are a shadow knight sitting at a raid and just waiting for mobs to get into camp so you can DPS , you are effing worthless...

[Danth]

If raiding's your main priority in life--don't play a hybrid anything, play a specialist. Personally I have little interest in raids, and utterly zero interest in high-end raids, so the considerations are different for me.

I've been 60 on my Shadow Knight--my ONLY 60--for quite a few years. I'm well-satisfied with it and it gives excellent service for anything I can reasonably ask it to do. It can solo anything I care to. It makes an excellent duo partner with the wife's shaman (our primary mode of gameplay). It serves as an adequate tank for any and all groupable content we care to do, as well as the occasional lower-end raid. It serves well as a puller when needed, which is frequent and has considerable ability to sneak in and out of nearly anyplace. Overall it's an excellent character for doing the jobs I want to do...but I don't want to raid high-end things. I despise TOV. If I wanted to do that, I'd pick something else.

Non-defensive tanks and hybrid classes in general fare poorly in raids due to their fundamental nature. Raids like having specialists. With P1999's high-end culture it goes even farther and most the top guilds like people who have multiple available specialist characters rather than those who try to devote themselves to a single one. Pick a class that suits the jobs you want to do, and don't try to fit a round peg into a square hole.

Danth

[elwing]

To add to this, pal and sk tank better than rangers in group/trash content, but on raid boss the ranger disc makes them slightly more useful...


I still can't understand why the two hybrid tank class don't have any tanking disc while bard and ranger get some...

[Brut]

Get spammed with tells to swap to a different class.

[beargryllz]

Paladins are mandatory for DS and have a good group heal so you can save on prayers of life recharges

I can't see any situation where you need more than 1 paladin or any number of SKs unless you're doing like an SK epic quest

They'll sometimes save the day if you get adds and the warriors are too lazy to use root net charges

[Brut]

Depends how serious and competitive said raid is. If your guild is struggling to get the numbers at some poor attendance hours, they will look at the rubbish classes and think "why can't he log on a cleric/rogue? I know he has access to one".

And this isn't some specific guild grievance. Every serious raiding guild has/will do this. Is normal.

[Jimjam]

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Depends how serious and competitive said raid is. If your guild is struggling to get the numbers at some poor attendance hours, they will look at the rubbish classes and think "why can't he log on a cleric/rogue? I know he has access to one".

And this isn't some specific guild grievance. Every serious raiding guild has/will do this. Is normal.

This is true. I've been docked dkp for bringing warrior over warrior to dps. Likewise I've been docked dkp for the reverse.

EQ R SRS and CONFUSE!

[24kanthony]

I main a 60 SK. He was great for grouping and soloing while I leveled and when raiding with my guild, I have way more to do than most people. I can pet track while we wait, help with training trash away, goalie adds, occupy the raid mob's pet, or my usual which is tagging the raid mob off the monk and bringing it in to the raid for the kill. I'm strong and sneaky enough to go get a golem or drako FTE in fear. I really like that I'm not stuck in camp till the mob comes in.

[Brut]

You can, but all of these things can be completed by other classes all the same. Or better, if you played a monk (who then returns to camp and does 3x your dps while they're at it). It doesn't require any specific utility only an SK has, since you could SoW a wizard and have them spamclick tash rod to tag mobs.

You can always argue how this and that class has utility, but ultimately classic EQ has no real raid role for many classes. Knights being the main offender. So your only way of contributing is to do roles that aren't really class dependant. And by the end of the day, you'd done a better job at it if you were an ikky monkey.

[Danth]

Not to mention half the classes that have a raid role, that role amounts to maybe casting a buff or some such. I much prefer the SK over such classes as at least you can show up without being constantly hassled for this or that.

Danth