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Old 04-12-2022, 01:20 AM
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If you would like a TLP PVP server on Live, please go to the following link, or go to everquest.com click forums go to Player Support, and select the TLP PVP Server thread.

Choose whether you would like one or all of the server options and type it in as a reply.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/...server.282024/

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Second, since I don't like to spam... I lie, I love to troll and spam... well most of you who know me know that.

June 4th 2022, Start Time 10am PST :

An epic tail of love and loss, between two brothers. Faazeds and Faazedx:

After gaining enough liquid courage to ask out his beloved Pet Vendor in the EC tunnel. Faazedx was turned down. While Faazeds gained favor of the shop keeper.

His heart wrenched in Anguish Faazedx Vows revenge on his brother for stealing his true love.

Now you must meet him in POK with your Level 60 only toon on Zek server. If you choose to join the quest, you will join the Events Guild.

Once level Verified, you may then take on the quests that Faazedx will give you to find him armor and weapons that he may defeat his Brother and Prove his love...(Like that ever works out.)

Every quest completed = 1 krono
Every Group Quest Completed = 1 Krono per group member.

There are a total of 150 Krono's, maybe more depending on how much more plat I can farm between now and then, that will be handed out for Mission Completions.

You will travel near and far and find Faazedx what he needs to destroy his brother in PVP!

Of course... what does Lynea have to say about all this? Probably nothing, I mean she is an NPC... Good Luck. Have Fun.
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Old 03-25-2023, 03:04 PM
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There's several big reasons why there will never be a PvP TLP--unless they make one that fixes these issues, of course, but that seems really unlikely. Or, if against all odds they should one day make a PvP TLP, it would suck ass and wouldn't satisfy anyone who's currently clammoring for a Red 2.0.

1) Everybody uses ShowEQ. It's so widespread on TLPs that you can almost consider it a built-in feature of the game. I would venture a conservative guess that even on PvE servers, upwards of 50% of players have SEQ. On a PvP server, where the incentive is much greater, you can expect pretty much everybody to do it. Daybreak don't enforce it at all, nor is there really any way to seriously prevent its use due to the fundamental way EQ is programmed. MacroQuest is also used by some, although not as widespread as SEQ.

2) The various non-classic changes to the game would make PvP absolutely terrible. Melee damage is considerably higher due to mechanical changes, cast times are shorter, and DoT damage in particular has been increased so much that there wouldn't even be a semblance of class balance. For instance, on P99, Envenomed Bolt ticks for 146 damage. On TLP servers, it ticks for 295 and is a 3-second cast instead of 6. Ignite Blood ticks for 56 on P99 and 125 on TLPs. Deflux is a 500 point lifetap instead of 300. Touch of Night, the 700pt lifetap, has a 3.2 second cast time instead of 6. Monk epic fist ratio on TLPs is 23/26. Melee classes get triple attack in classic, including paladin for some reason.

3) When you die, you respawn with all your stuff on you. You don't leave it on a corpse. This means PvP death is largely irrelevant and there's no way to prevent bind-rushing infinitely in order to force people out of an area. It'll be impossible to do any content that is within running distance of a bindable area as someone can just repeatedly attack you, die, respawn, over and over. In addition to this, there is a button in character selection that sends your character to its home town, so you can just zoneplug and click that to escape any fight.

4) Due to the existence of instanced raiding, all players on a server can do a full clear of all raid content every week, meaning everybody is so overgeared that many classes are rendered useless. On a traditional PvP server, pretty much nobody gets a full set of raid gear unless the server has been running for many years. On a TLP, anyone who raids can be full BiS (or close enough) inside a few months. People will have such high resists and HP that only melee classes can really function.

5) The Daybreak store sells a number of things that can interfere with gameplay. Potions with various buffs that are undispellable and persist through death with 4-hour durations. Illusion items that make it impossible to see what race or class someone is, or what weapons they're using. You would have no way of knowing anything about a player when you see them. Even Amulet of Necropotence on P99 still shows their weapons, but you can buy weapon skins on TLPs. Someone runs up and starts hitting you, you have no idea if they're a warrior, rogue or monk because they look like a fucking minotaur with an umbrella in each hand.

6) There are certain non-classic items available in the game, most importantly healing potions. The level 60 (Kunark) healing potions heal for 1500 for the instant pot, and 3000 over 30 seconds for the HoT pot, with a 2 minute cooldown. Casters literally won't have enough mana to kill someone. All PvP would be long, tedious melee slugfests that might literally go on forever if both players have enough potions (which are cheap enough that you could easily carry a hundred of them at any time).
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Old 03-25-2023, 06:55 PM
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If you would like a TLP PVP server on Live, please go to the following link, or go to everquest.com click forums go to Player Support, and select the TLP PVP Server thread.

Choose whether you would like one or all of the server options and type it in as a reply.

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/...server.282024/
Why is RZ “hardcore” and VZ “medium”? RZ was basically blue and us VZ players were much cooler back in the day. I’m offended!

Also isn’t TLP all weird bc they kept all the unclassic changes? It sounds like it would make for a horrible pvp experience that is nothing like class eq pvp.

Also what even is this? Just some random thread you made? Do you have pull over at Daybreak?

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Second, since I don't like to spam... I lie, I love to troll and spam... well most of you who know me know that.

June 4th 2022, Start Time 10am PST :

An epic tail of love and loss, between two brothers. Faazeds and Faazedx:

After gaining enough liquid courage to ask out his beloved Pet Vendor in the EC tunnel. Faazedx was turned down. While Faazeds gained favor of the shop keeper.

His heart wrenched in Anguish Faazedx Vows revenge on his brother for stealing his true love.

Now you must meet him in POK with your Level 60 only toon on Zek server. If you choose to join the quest, you will join the Events Guild.

Once level Verified, you may then take on the quests that Faazedx will give you to find him armor and weapons that he may defeat his Brother and Prove his love...(Like that ever works out.)

Every quest completed = 1 krono
Every Group Quest Completed = 1 Krono per group member.

There are a total of 150 Krono's, maybe more depending on how much more plat I can farm between now and then, that will be handed out for Mission Completions.

You will travel near and far and find Faazedx what he needs to destroy his brother in PVP!

Of course... what does Lynea have to say about all this? Probably nothing, I mean she is an NPC... Good Luck. Have Fun.
Read this twice and it still makes zero sense?
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Old 03-25-2023, 07:41 PM
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Rallos Zek was hardcore because it had item loot the whole time instead of only briefly. It was also better for that reason.
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Old 03-25-2023, 08:18 PM
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I could do Rallos Zek. If I could join a guild, earn my right to loot, help others. Then do a very polite and grateful /thank, and then leave the guild if I need to. If I had one character with ghetto planes no drop gear, I would feel like a boss.
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Old 03-25-2023, 08:19 PM
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Rallos Zek was hardcore because it had item loot the whole time instead of only briefly. It was also better for that reason.
Didn't your raid scene have rotations? :P

Sorry Gustoo but RZ was never more hardcore than VZ.
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Old 03-25-2023, 08:31 PM
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MY 6-box team could beat YOUR 6-box team anyday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think it would last but I don't really know the current mood of the TLP crews, maybe its a difference enough people want? /shrug
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Old 03-25-2023, 08:44 PM
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I wish I could add a meme, of a Dwarf Paladin, doing a really cool slow walk, in Valorium.
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:04 PM
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Didn't your raid scene have rotations? :P

Sorry Gustoo but RZ was never more hardcore than VZ.
The more hardcore nature of the pvp created a social scenario of increased cooperation between people looking to kill dragons and such.

Similar to red99, the soft core bluebie style pvp on vallon and tallon encouraged a shitty shit show of a pvp environment and an inferior server.

I’m just throwing rocks for no reason though. I don’t think there’s anything good about the vallon or tallon rule sets except they existed in 1999 which was a great time for all of the pvp servers.
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:23 PM
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The more hardcore nature of the pvp created a social scenario of increased cooperation between people looking to kill dragons and such.

Similar to red99, the soft core bluebie style pvp on vallon and tallon encouraged a shitty shit show of a pvp environment and an inferior server.

I’m just throwing rocks for no reason though. I don’t think there’s anything good about the vallon or tallon rule sets except they existed in 1999 which was a great time for all of the pvp servers.
The hardcore nature of the ruleset discouraged pvp, and lead to a bluebie alliance of guilds that held hands and took turns at dragons?

You wanna know the real difference between the two servers? PvP actually happened on VZ lol. We had the richest roleplay experience as well. TZ had practically the same ruleset and they just became a FFA server with extra steps. VZ kept the RP up for the entire lifespan of the server, and we all pvped for the opportunity to raid at all.

RZ will always be second best pvp server; I'm sorry. At least you beat out both TZ and SZ though; silver's not bad! <3
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