DKP

[bktroost]

In AG we had someone join and get a silk robe for minimum bid. That is 6 dkp in AG. We give out 4 dkp per hour for hourly raids and 3 dkp per hour for tracking and bonus dkp for killing mobs. So in 2 hours of HoT that person was able to buy his class BiS-ToV gear robe.

It depends on two things in every guild. 1) Those who come before you and how "well fed" they are on the content they are engaging and 2) The acquisition stream that guild has on the items you are interested in.

If you are talking about VP, AG has an maximum overload of "underfed" players (1) and an absolute zero on our VP acquisition steam (2). If you are talking about wizard epics, we have 1-2 people in line (1) and kill VS very often (2). So the dkp reflects the cost of items, but in any fluctuating market it's entirely about your competition and supply.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

~10-20 raids will buy you some pieces of ntov loot in <awakened>

47 raids and about 15 hours of tracking got me about 850 dkp, which was enough for zero items.

[Kodim]

If you avoid Vulak/Dozekar/CT/Tormax/Tunare, there are tons of items throughout ToV that most people avoid because they'd rather have BiS.

Telk has a +100 mana mask, just like CT does etc

[Freakish]

Back when I was serious about raiding, I averaged 1 piece of non rot loot / month. And I was very satisfied. There's lots of stuff that isn't BIS that not a lot of people will be after.

[Colgate]

lol @ dkp good god why would you subject yourself to that in eq emu velious where guilds raid with 50+ players regularly and bosses drop 2-3 items, often shit you don't even want

[Cecily]

Because it gives you the illusion that you, the player, are in control.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again that ballpark is going to be different. Some guilds reward DKP on time spent raiding. Others give DKP for the target involved. Some do both. The amounts you get are varied. Some guilds have min bids for items some dont. You could need a non popular class item and get it for less then 1 raids worth of DKP or you could need a highly popular class item and it take you 50 raids worth of DKP.

yes! ty Thulack I will remind Dald of this tonight as Akran still hasnt gotten his book haha

miss u

[EQsale]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In AG we had someone join and get a silk robe for minimum bid. That is 6 dkp in AG. We give out 4 dkp per hour for hourly raids and 3 dkp per hour for tracking and bonus dkp for killing mobs. So in 2 hours of HoT that person was able to buy his class BiS-ToV gear

Silk robe is not BEST IN SLOT just saying... guess people at AG have low standards

Sal`Varae`s Robe of Darkness way better but AG will never see one =-D

Went for 1800 DKP this week.

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Maschenny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In it's classic form, how many raids are usually needed to accumulate enough points to make a significant purchase? Like a class only weapon... Or a peice of armor. I understand this all depends on the item, but if you all could give me an idea of the commitment needed for certain tiers of items i would appreciate it.

So many variables

-Class matters greatly. If you are a necro, shaman, or rogue, get in line. If you're a mage or paladin, you will clean up because those dont exist.

-What items do you want? If you want the absolute best in slot, start playing 24/7 right now and you'll have half of it in a year if you're lucky. If you are happy with HoT armor and items from kael, fear/sky/hate, kunark dragons, etc, you can get that much easier. We routinely award lower tier loot from said targets with only one bidder for our minimum, which represents very little time investment.

-What guild are you joining? If you join an established guild where the people at the top already have good items, it will be harder to get BiS because the people at the top have tons of dkp but easier to get the next tier, very good items since they already have them.

-What are your guilds rules? There are some guilds that have ridiculous rules about maintaining a 25% or whatever raid attendance to spend the points you've earned. That sounds low to an outside observer, but in reality is a crazy time commitment and imo is flat out unfair. Thats like a store telling you that you're not eligible to spend your cash unless you worked 40 hours last week. Earned points are earned points, they should not come with strings attached.

-How does the guild award dkp? In Azure Guard we currently get 4 per hour if its an hourly raid. Some guilds might only give one per hour. So I cant say "100 dkp will get you x item" because 100 in our guild has the same value of 25 in another guild.

-How lucky are you at the time? Say an item drops on average once per month for six months. Odds are there will be a wide range of winning dkp bids on that item, depending on the class makeup of each raid. Some items swing wildly. For example, I got an item once for 51 dkp, and the next time our guild saw that drop someone spent double that to win the bid.

-How often do you hit a particular target? If you go to hate every week, hate loot will drop in price within your guild. If your guild rarely goes to hate, those best items will be harder to come by and expensive. For example we still do sky and have done it once a week for two years or more. All but the most top notch sky quest items (like that crazy ranger bow) go very cheap because everyone has them or has better already.

These arent even all the variables.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by EQsale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silk robe is not BEST IN SLOT just saying... guess people at AG have low standards

Sal`Varae`s Robe of Darkness way better but AG will never see one =-D

Went for 1800 DKP this week.

he said it was class set BiS, but great job being an annoying nerd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]