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CHA seems to be impacting charm durations on P99 far more than it did on Live
Compare this test on P99 with varying charisma scores on a blue mob:
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I suspect P99 is allocating much too high of an impact to Charisma score when calculating its impact on charm duration. | ||||
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I read recently that in the early days of EQ, people believed that lower charisma improved the success of Necromancer charm.
In both of the original poster's sets of tests, lower charisma clearly correlates with higher average Enchanter charm duration. | ||
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If we're using this data to prove no correlation between charisma and charm time, it seems strange to hand-wave away the correlation it shows between charisma and charm time. | |||
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If CHA were working to increase mob resistance don't you suppose we'd see it in the result set for the green mob too?
It just seems really improbable that it worked to decrease charm duration. But maybe it was bugged that way. Wouldn't be the first time Verant screwed up. | ||
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This doesn't necessarily make intuitive sense to the player, and maybe the backwards CHA check is a bug, but Verant did make items like https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_Writhing for some reason. (Upon actually reading the Staff of Writhing wiki page, it drops from a mob that charms. I wonder if that was supposed to be a clue?) | |||
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^^ I really think that's a massive leap.
Out of curiosity I searched for what TAKP had come up with regarding CHA and charm durations. Torven figured the effect of CHA on charm duration was so small (if at all) that they just don't take it into account at all. Links: https://www.takproject.net/forums/in...in.5487/page-3 https://www.takproject.net/forums/in...75/#post-13018 Quote:
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Items of note:
- tests done on p1999 (both propo's and loraen's) were done WITH tash, but the test linked to from classic era was done WITHOUT tash. - Loraen's tests - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=92423 - show pretty similar charm durations on higher-level charms (loraen at 60 vs a 53) to the durations shown by the classic chanter (58 chanter vs a 50). - But loraen's tests show MUCH LONGER charms against a level 46 (minimum blue con) than the level 58 chanter's charms against a seafury (exp-awarding green con) did. Again, remember Loraen was using tash and the level 58 guy was not. - Classic-era test from the 58 chanter showed that MR was having an enormous impact on charm duration. While he never (that we saw) posted a test where he was using tash, he did post a test where he put Resist Magic on the same level 50 mob he'd been charming earlier, and charm outright resists, durations, etc. suffered a lot. What would be fantastic is finding a test from classic era where someone tested charm durations WITH tash on, both on a higher-blue and on a low-blue or green con. But even without that, I "feel" like charisma needs to have a more minor role in charming but without that change affecting durations of charms on p1999. It seems possible/probable that low-level mobs charm too easily on p99, but I haven't seen any data of classic-era tests done with tash on lower-level mobs to see how that played out. While lots of folks are currently complaining about charm being OP (and have always been doing so, really), if we assume that MR debuffs affect charm durations in a more-or-less inverted way to the way Wandatin's Resist Magic affected his charm durations... then it seems to make sense for p1999 charms with tash to hold well, and p1999 charms with malaise also to last REALLY well, and p1999 charms with -mr gear to last forever when charming a mid-blue con. | ||
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Also, I'm sort of confused how the original evidence presented in this thread shows anything. It shows a bunch of samples that are inconsistent with each other. Not sure what conclusion is supposed to be drawn from that. | |||
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