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Old 08-17-2015, 01:21 AM
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I've been working on Dain faction and noticed this as well. From dubious, one tormax kill (with guards) should take you to indifferent at least but it only brought me to apprehensive. I'm wondering if these bosses have been hard-coded to apprehensive as max (since apprehensive is a short range of only -100 to -1 )
From talking to other people they are not hard coded to be maxed at apprehensive, I will just assume Daldaen is correct and Yelinak only gives +75 Tormax faction, although I'm not convinced this was the case during classic.

However I am positive that the apprehensive range is currently much larger than it should be, There are many different charts out there with varying numbers but they all list apprehensive as one of the smaller faction ranges, but on this server it certainly seems to be one of the largest.

Even when you count the fact that Yelinak is only +75, The amount of royal guards I have killed alone should be more than enough to have gotten me out of apprehensive.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:25 AM
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In that case it might be larger than 100 for apprehensive. Given that you've had a dain kill as well (750), it would have a bit impact. But for tormax since you start at KoS (iirc?), that would take a bit longer than say working Dain faction
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:15 PM
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Pending update:
-Implemented faction hits, (where full values were obtained) from Daldaen's research

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A contributor told me they are using Live values for faction on Velious mobs - so I'm assuming someone already gathered this data and used it during development.
Well, some of the npcs have correct values, and others do not. Unfortunately, by the time eqlive had included +/- faction visibility, Most of the Velious zones were complete in regards to npc faction.

We will continue to improve faction as we can.
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:35 PM
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-Implemented faction hits, (where full values were obtained) from Daldaen's research



Well, some of the npcs have correct values, and others do not. Unfortunately, by the time eqlive had included +/- faction visibility, Most of the Velious zones were complete in regards to npc faction.

We will continue to improve faction as we can.
Can you confirm whether or not the +75 Tormax from Yelinak is intended? When looking at other city leaders faction hits it seems like all of Yelinak's values are missing a 0.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:37 PM
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ty for researching this Dald !!
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:42 PM
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Endonde I looked around for some comments about a Yelinak hit being size able but I found nothing.

I agree it's logical that the city leaders follow the same value system (+750 and -1500) and that the Yelinak values look as though they are all missing 0s.

One or two posts about having large faction jumps after a single Yelinak kill would be sufficient evidence in my eyes to suggest at some point on live they screwed up Yelinak and dropped him from +750/-1500 to +75/-150.

That being said, 3~ Dain kills should max Ally you. Which isn't too bad.

Also I'd be curious to hear more evidence on the top of the Head turnin quests' minimum faction. I know I did the Yelinak head turnin on Mac with Apprehensive. There's also comments about sneak turnins for Dain head working as well around 2003.

Someone made a post claiming the faction amounts were eased up in Luclin but hasn't provided any source for this claim.

For the city leaders I would be more inclined to think the quests require rather intermediate faction values because of how rare the faction hits are for their specific factions (Dain/Yelinak/Tormax).

I'll keep checking for Statue to see if I can get a hit on him. I'm guessing he is a 500/750 type hit. I'm also curious how big the NToV faction hits are but it's been cleared out the last few times I've been through ToV on live.
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Old 08-18-2015, 01:01 AM
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I can confirm the ranges in all the wiki pages and basically everywhere are not the same as the ranges on the current p99.

Right now I am Ally with Tormax, below are my notes.

I started with about 10 negative tormax hits from random arena guards in kael and 1 vindicator hit. I grabbed these from my logs and can post them. Then I had 2 velks +tormax hits and somewhere between 10-20 royal guard hits in icewell as well as a couple Chamberlain and Seneschals. At this point I was Threatening to Tormax (before the last round of royals I was RTA)

With some testing help for Toggin we were able to confirm 10 heads = 1 click of alliance neck by turning in 1 head at a time until the necklace made the faction jump. then turning in 1 head at a time until it jumped to the next rank naturally with out the neck. it took 10 heads. The rest will assume that each head turn in to Bvellos is 10 faction for Tormax (likely more for Zek)


threatening 30heads + neck to dubious (after resetting Alliance it was 5heads to dubious) 350~ total faction. This could be more depending on where I started in threateningly


19 to apprehensive (maybe handed in huntsman head) - Im not sure but I may have turned in a huntsman head for the coldain skin boots here. This rank went way faster than expected, so I will chalk it up to that.

40 + neck to indiff (49 heads) neck to amiably at this point ~500 total faction for the Apprehensive rank

42 heads + neck to kindly

Dain Hit to warmly (even with neck)

18 heads to ally no neck

I hope this information makes some sense, Thanks to everyone who helped me along the way. I was to scared to turn in my dain head at Kindly but hopefully can turn it in this weekend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:20 PM
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I did some faction testing in North ToV yesterday, the values we have on P99 do not match the NToV ones.

Trash mobs (baby drakes):

[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Yelinak has been adjusted by -2.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Kromzek has been adjusted by 5.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] You have slain a wyvern hatchling!

[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Yelinak has been adjusted by -2.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Kromzek has been adjusted by 5.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] You have slain a shard wyvern hatchling!

Trash minis:

[Wed Sep 02 20:27:06 2015] You have slain Yrrindor Emerald Claw!
[Wed Sep 02 20:27:06 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.

[Wed Sep 02 20:27:24 2015] You have slain Quellod Earthspirit!
[Wed Sep 02 20:27:24 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.

[Wed Sep 02 20:30:23 2015] You have slain Kalkar of the Maelstrom!
[Wed Sep 02 20:30:23 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.

[Wed Sep 02 20:30:39 2015] You have slain Zyerek Onyxblood!
[Wed Sep 02 20:30:39 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.

[Wed Sep 02 20:30:55 2015] You have slain Cyndor Lightningfang!
[Wed Sep 02 20:30:55 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -10.

Flurry Drakes:

[Wed Sep 02 19:56:10 2015] You have slain Lurian!
[Wed Sep 02 19:56:10 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.

[Wed Sep 02 19:56:45 2015] You have slain Hsrek!
[Wed Sep 02 19:56:45 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.

[Wed Sep 02 20:27:40 2015] You have slain Mazrien!
[Wed Sep 02 20:27:40 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.

[Wed Sep 02 20:28:37 2015] You have slain Gra`Vloren!
[Wed Sep 02 20:28:37 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.

[Wed Sep 02 20:30:08 2015] You have slain Nir`Tan!
[Wed Sep 02 20:30:08 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.

[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -50.
[Sat Aug 08 14:08:26 2015] You have slain Nelaarn the Ebon Claw!


Raid Bosses:

[Wed Sep 02 20:24:37 2015] You have slain Lord Vyemm!
[Wed Sep 02 20:24:37 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -500.

[Wed Sep 02 20:28:37 2015] You have slain Lady Mirenilla!
[Wed Sep 02 20:28:37 2015] Your faction standing with Claws of Veeshan has been adjusted by -500.

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On P99 we killed 2 Flurry drakes and 2 trash mobs (-120 CoV), this dropped some people from Ally to Amiable. That should not happen, most of the time you shouldn't even drop out of Ally, at a max Warmly.

If the faction values could be revised to match the live values that would be fantastic!
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:28 PM
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pretty incredible amount of effort here Dald. /bow
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:53 PM
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So it looks to me like...

WToV trash/central ToV trash is a -10 CoV, -2 Yelinak, +5 Kromzek

Some Named Drakes in NToV are -10 CoV and some amount of Guardians of Veeshan (this faction is irrelevant since everyone is KoS).

Some Named Drakes in NToV are -50 CoV and GoV

It looks to me like the static level 60 Drakes are the ones giving the -50 hits and the roaming level 65/66 drakes are giving the -10 hits. I'd say that's a safe way to code it, but aren't those roaming level 65/66 drakes not supposed to be in game during our timeline?

Named Dragon bosses in NToV are -500.
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