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Old 04-18-2019, 10:28 PM
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Impeachment is not a crime you dumb fucking moron.
Then why is it prosecuted?
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:31 PM
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Barr lied today about multiple aspects of the Mueller report and mischaracterized it in his summary.

Today he said that Mueller did not reach a decision about indictment based on the OLC opinion. The Mueller report explicitly States that as the reason he didn't make a decision.

Barr said he didn't know if Mueller intended for Congress to receive the information. The report states clearly that they didn't want to interfere with Constitutional means of dealing with Presidential misconduct. The Constitution grants all of those powers to the legislative branch explicitly.

Barr stated that we don't open grand jury investigations for the purpose of giving information to Congress, ignoring the fact that both Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton had grand jury information used by Congress to force Nixon out and impeach Clinton.

Barr implied that in his summary that Mueller didn't make a decision on obstruction because the decision was too difficult and that there was evidence that exonerated Trump of obstruction. I see nothing exculpatory in Mueller's report on obstruction and they are very clear and firm as to why they didn't indict or decline to indict on obstruction.

Barr's only statements and actions with regards to the Mueller report have been riddled with misinformation and outright lies designed to mislead the public about the nature and extent of the investigation.

One of Nixon's articles of impeachment contained exactly that charge. He lied to the American people about the nature and extent of the investigation while also falsely claiming that it had all but been completed. Both Trump and Barr have done this, publicly as Nixon did, and should both be removed from office.

Barr's only purpose with regards to the Mueller investigation has been to deceive and mislead the American people and Congress.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:33 PM
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Dear dipshit, impeachment can only occur when the president has been found guilty of a crime via the executive branch.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:43 PM
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The definition of prosecutorial :

relating to the institution and conducting of legal proceedings against someone in respect of a criminal charge.

What is the criminal charge and where is the indictment?
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:45 PM
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The definition of prosecutorial :

relating to the institution and conducting of legal proceedings against someone in respect of a criminal charge.

What is the criminal charge and where is the indictment?
The impeachment is the indictment. Trump is a criminal.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:47 PM
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The impeachment is the indictment. Trump is a criminal.
AKA there is no indictment and no criminal charge.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:48 PM
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Words.
All these guys are telling you you're wrong, maybe you should listen.


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The Attorney General is the chief LAW ENFORCEMENT officer. So the SCO is like the detectives in an episode of Law and Order. They investigate and then present their findings to the prosecutors, who then decide if charges will be filed. How many of the dozens of indictments produced by the SCO did the AG prosecute? None, because that's not his role.
Ultimately the decision about whether or not to prosecute lies with the AG because he's the head of the Department of Justice and oversees all the US Attorneys including the SCO and Mueller. Normally prosecutors are left to do their own thing but the AG can direct them and countermand their decisions should he choose. With regards to Trump, Mueller declined to prosecute on collusion and asked Barr to decide on obstruction, and Barr declined to prosecute.


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Impeach isn't the only thing Congress can do. It can also investigate, and since the composition of the House was changed during the midterms, the Intelligence Committee can look at basically whatever it wants.

We're all aware that Republicans control the Senate and would never vote to convict Trump on impeachment charges forwarded by the House. That's why I've recommended to my colleagues to wait until the close of session just before the next election to recommend articles of impeachment to the Senate so that the current Senate doesn't have time to conduct the impeachment. The entire election then becomes a referendum on Trump. Do you want to re-elect a lame duck president who could face impeachment by a Democrat-controlled Senate after the election? Oh, and we'll also be impeaching the rapist supreme court justice. He doesn't have anything like the immunity of a president.
This is a fantasy too and is not going to happen. You do know there's ~2 months between the election and the new congress taking office, right? In any case, if the House wants to try to slam dunk an impeachment Trump can reconvene congress and the Senate's trial will last no longer than it takes to cast a vote.

Congress can investigate all it wants but no one will care because they're not credible like the DOJ is.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:50 PM
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Doesn't appear that you have based on your previous comment.
So site the section you wish to discuss. You're not exactly pwning the libs rn.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:53 PM
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In any case, if the House wants to try to slam dunk an impeachment Trump can reconvene congress and the Senate's trial will last no longer than it takes to cast a vote.

Congress can investigate all it wants but no one will care because they're not credible like the DOJ is.
This is exactly the outcome I'm hoping for. If the Senate clears trump without performing any due diligence, that will help us flip the Senate.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:56 PM
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he's already discredited as a russian stooge in the minds of the laiety

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