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View Poll Results: Before vs. after the merge, which was more fun you for you?
Pre-merge I had more fun 180 60.81%
Post-merge I'm having more fun 29 9.80%
I had roughly the same amount of fun before/after 54 18.24%
Bush merged the towers into the ground 33 11.15%
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:00 PM
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I had a lot more fun before the merge. Walking into exp camps without a line, lists seeming reasonable, dragon pops not being giant clusterfucks of trains...

But my stages of mourning have progressed to acceptance that its never coming back.
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:03 PM
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Astuce99, you're making huge assumptions about "the other side". You're villainizing them, which makes it easy to turn your brain off (because "they're bad people and they're wrong because they're bad", so you don't have to think about their position).

But 24 people said post-merge was more fun for them: those people are not wrong.

They're also not all villains. McCoy is one of them, and he's the guy who gets his jollies off by rezzing strangers for free: there is not a nicer person on this server.

Maybe, just in this one thread, could we all try listening more, and imagining "the other side" as evil less?
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:11 PM
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Astuce99, you're making huge assumptions about "the other side". You're villainizing them, which makes it easy to turn your brain off (because "they're bad people and they're wrong because they're bad", so you don't have to think about their position).

But 24 people said post-merge was more fun for them: those people are not wrong.

They're also not all villains. McCoy is one of them, and he's the guy who gets his jollies off by rezzing strangers for free: there is not a nicer person on this server.

Maybe, just in this one thread, could we all try listening more, and imagining the other side as evil less?
You're absolutely right, I am hyperbolic in my interpretation of their position. It is a tit-for-tat approach to match the "oh you guys only want ez pixels wah wah" that they project on us. For your sake, I will stop after this post.

I am absolutely certain that there are a lot of nice people on green right now. I mean, not everyone from Teal quit already, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rome didn't burn down in one night.

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Old 02-08-2020, 02:26 PM
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They create an atmosphere and context where only the min-maxing/neckbeard mentality can thrive. Anyone who dares to propose an alternate approach to playing EQ is flamed/trolled/rules-lawyered.

They see EQ as a King-of-the-Hill game; it's only fun if they're on top and keeping other people down.

We like to play EQ for the content, and we feel that p99's classic EQ is an amazing recreation of that content, unmatched anywhere. We feel that classic EQ was already time-consuming enough in the way it was designed, and on a fresh server with no twinks it was actually a lot of fun to tackle on that level-appropriate content on Teal.

Most of the trolls on this thread (and threads like this) who keep talking about going off the beaten path and creating your own groups and how they went to so-and-so zone and had no issue are all hypocrites who already have at least 1 minmax toon guised/manastoned/fullrubied.

On Teal's last night, it was a Saturday night and I was in a full group in the CY in Mistmoore. There were other groups camping CE, GY and the pond. 2-3 people were at the zone in with the lfg tag up. It was close to 30 people in zone total (or completely dead and in dire need of a merge according to the forum trolls).

Over the course of almost 3 hours (I was lucky the wife was out of town and had a lot of time to play), we were killing and having conversations and laughing, we also had a ranger so lots of ranger jokes, and we were able to get lucky and get some of the nameds. We killed Dhamph 2-3 times, Lasna once, Xicotl once (single pulled with a charmed garg taking the HT, it was beautiful), and Garton once too. An HBC and a diamondine earring dropped. The ranger got the earring, and one of the druids won the cloak. I walked away with less than a yellow of xp (lvl 40 hell and bard) and zero loot.

It was probably the most fun I had on EQ in years, and I remember telling the group how much I loved Teal and how perfect it was and how much that group was fun and how they were all on my friend list now and how I couldn't wait to play again.

So the next day Teal was gone. When I logged into MM, there were only a dozen people in zone. There was a trio at pond, a duo at GY, a lvl 50 mage camping dhamp, a lvl 50 chanter camping lasna/xicotl, a lvl 49 necro camping princess, and 2-3 other people /anon not responding to CC's or /tells.

I logged off and haven't logged back in since that day. I keep lurking the forums and I see the steady decline in population since the merge... like a fire slowly but surely consuming itself and becoming less and less bright.

I know it's going to be near-impossible for a min-maxer to understand how someone can have fun without winning any pixels, and then will jump at the chance to point out that when the pixels were no longer available to win I didn't want to play anymore so it must have been only about the pixels...

(this is already too long, sorry)

cheers,

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Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).
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Old 02-08-2020, 03:07 PM
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Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).
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Old 02-08-2020, 03:21 PM
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Sorry dude. Wasn’t aware I was bothering you by trying to figure out what the guy’s point is since he seems so adamantly anti-merge. If it annoys you so much, don’t read the comments.
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Old 02-08-2020, 03:29 PM
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Sorry dude. Wasn’t aware I was bothering you by trying to figure out what the guy’s point is since he seems so adamantly anti-merge. If it annoys you so much, don’t read the comments.
You're not "annoying me so much"; I was just trying to get you to use your brain instead of operating on autopilot:

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Well that's totally unfair to say that about people who talk about going off the beaten path. If you want, I can meet you in game and show you my characters on Green. I have a Rogue in the 30s, an Enchanter in the low 20s, and a Wizard who is level 11. So no, I don't cite going off the beaten path because I have been camping legacy items (Manastone and Guise are just pointless items) and millions of plat already. I cite it because there's plenty of places to go and have fun if certain specific zones are crowded.

I'm also not sure what the no twinks has to do with anything. Both servers had no twinks. As an aside, everyone knows so much about the mechanics now that I've been in full groups of untwinked characters chain pulling reds and yellows so lack of twinkage didn't stop that...but anyway that's a separate topic not really relevant.

As for the "steady decline since the merge", the server has been roughly between 1.1k-1.3k at prime time since the merge. It goes up and down in that range depending on the day of course, but there's hardly been a "steady decline".

From the rest of your comment, I guess I'm now slightly unsure of what your overall point is. So at first you say that the merge has created a min/max server (I presume the argument there is that because it's more crowded now in certain zones that only people who have tons of time to play and dedicate to the game can have fun and it's impossible to log on and find a group, etc.). But then you go on to say that you haven't logged in since merge day because Mistmoore was too empty now that the server is bigger? Sort of two opposite ends of the spectrum so I'm still struggling to understand what your specific concern is with the merge (I'd also add that I have rarely seen Mistmoore not packed since the merge, maybe it had to do with the time of day you logged on?).
Now that you've thoroughly "slain" the newbie with your "cleverness" ... did that accomplish anything? Do you feel better about yourself as a person for having made that post? Did you educate anyone? Enlighten them, or make them feel more upbeat?

Or were you just beating a dead horse on autopilot? I was trying to make you think about that, and not just react with blind rage to anyone who disagrees with your truth.
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You're not "annoying me so much"; I was just trying to get you to use your brain instead of operating on autopilot:



Now that you've thoroughly "slain" the newbie with your "cleverness" ... did that accomplish anything? Do you feel better about yourself as a person for having made that post? Did you educate anyone? Enlighten them, or make them feel more upbeat?

Or were you just beating a dead horse on autopilot? I was trying to make you think about that, and not just react with blind rage to anyone who disagrees with your truth.
Lol no one is trying to “slay” anyone here. If you don’t like people having discussions then don’t come to a discussion forum.

But I’m quaking in my boots now that you brought out your bold and italics. Oh shit!
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:15 PM
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Lol no one is trying to “slay” anyone here. If you don’t like people having discussions then don’t come to a discussion forum.

But I’m quaking in my boots now that you brought out your bold and italics. Oh shit!
Let's call a spade a spade: were you really "having a discussion" there? Really?

A discussion, by definition, requires that both sides listen to the other. You were having an argument, and at the end there you were literally having it by yourself: it was just you being angry after the person you were arguing with left.
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:19 PM
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Let's call a spade a spade: were you really "having a discussion" there? Really?

A discussion, by definition, requires that both sides listen to the other. You were having an argument, and at the end there you were literally having it by yourself: it was just you being angry after the person you were arguing with left.
I’m not angry whatsoever. I was honestly confused about what his issue was since as I mentioned in my last post his comments about things he’s concerned about seem to contradict each other.

Seems like the only angry person here might be you since you’re so frequently inserting yourself into discussion to essentially tell people to shut up.
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