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Old 08-19-2019, 07:28 AM
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:07 AM
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Its an exclusive club now, one I do not want to be in. All the dragons take twice as many players attempting it than needed, even with them being over-tuned.
You what's an exclusive club? The monk and mage FTE team vs unrooted dragons.

Everyone else stares at a wall at zone in.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:08 AM
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:13 AM
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I like you Littul but the fact you prefer the zoneline conveyor belt where 98% of the raid does nothing and gets loot over rooted dragons baffles me.

Best change P99 has made ever IMO.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:29 AM
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:39 AM
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I like you Littul but the fact you prefer the zoneline conveyor belt where 98% of the raid does nothing and gets loot over rooted dragons baffles me.

Best change P99 has made ever IMO.
I agree the conveyor is a bit silly, but before I understood how it worked I was upset. Once I understood all the mechanics behind it and the level of skill required to successfully complete those pulls I was more motivated to play and attempt to compete in that arena. (Not inferring you don't understand the mechanics)

I think the thing that most disappoints me about the tenancy to lean on the rooted raid targets as a fix to CSR problems is it changes the resource needed to compete from skill to bodies. Sure you need to know how to play your class and you cant just warm body it into North and come up with a kill but numbers are a far more scarce resource in this game. I think building a system (rooted raid targets) based on numbers required is going to kill the actual competition on this server and it will be just like any one of the instanced servers come March of next year. Hopefully i'm wrong.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:00 PM
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I agree the conveyor is a bit silly, but before I understood how it worked I was upset. Once I understood all the mechanics behind it and the level of skill required to successfully complete those pulls I was more motivated to play and attempt to compete in that arena. (Not inferring you don't understand the mechanics)

I think the thing that most disappoints me about the tenancy to lean on the rooted raid targets as a fix to CSR problems is it changes the resource needed to compete from skill to bodies. Sure you need to know how to play your class and you cant just warm body it into North and come up with a kill but numbers are a far more scarce resource in this game. I think building a system (rooted raid targets) based on numbers required is going to kill the actual competition on this server and it will be just like any one of the instanced servers come March of next year. Hopefully i'm wrong.
What your saying is true, but its important to note that the "skill" portion of that explanation is referring to the tiny team of pullers to get the dragon to the zone cleanly. The content was done with less people at zoneline not because people were more skilled, but because there was nothing to overcome but the dragon.

I feel like the current meta requires more skill, or at least it requires skill from more people aside from 5 key players, especially on the actual dragon engages. It also forces more personal responsibility on classes other then pullers. Pullers are still critical, but since dragons are rooted. you need to deal with guards and there is more chaos going on general. Multiple tanks, split healing, kiting and all this other nonsense that simply didn't happen before. Also specific to our current meta, leapfrogging is a possibility, so there's now an increased risk needed to secure kills (killing multiple guards). Overall I feel like there's more thought involved then there ever was before.

If I remember right....a few cycles ago AM was taking some serious risks with new coth locations (I think it was dagarn/kriezan?). Something that never would of happen in the previous meta. So while this meta ups to entry requirements for guilds, its also forces guilds to think outside the box a bit.

And also as far as I know (I'm a new P99 compared to veterans), this last few months has been the most competitive that ToV has seen in a long time. Two whole guilds are competing regularly! :P But seriously we've also seen AEGIS and other guilds make their way in to NToV as well occasionally. It feels healthy to me.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:04 PM
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Ah, I see. To be fair, this still has a more classic feel to it though. On my server on live, there were really only two contenders for Velious raid targets, and they were quite large.
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This. Only having 2 guilds that compete at the top end is pretty classic IMO. Hell on Drinal Cats In Hats was literally the only guild in NToV until well into Luclin.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:06 PM
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Before the dragons were rooted on a earthquake there would be

AG
BG
Core
AM
PS
Kittens
Tempest

Cant say this is the healthiest the raid scene has been.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:52 PM
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Kittens got more dragons after rooting fwiw
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