Game Mechanics: Necro charm and Feign death

ammut · #1 02-23-2010, 10:07 AM

If my memories are correct casting feigh death should break the charm and wipe the charmed mob memory. For now mob stays charmed and when charm breaks the mob come after me.

On a side note... fix the necro charm mecanism! It is killing me to bump my charisma to be able to charm UNDEADS. Necro charm should be based 1st on level and 2nd on magic resist.

thank you

siinge · #2 02-24-2010, 08:16 AM

negative on live in classic you could charm and fd a mob like its your normal pet

how else could necros solo frenzy on live in 99

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Dabamf · #3 02-24-2010, 08:22 AM

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negative on live in classic you could charm and fd a mob like its your normal pet

how else could necros solo frenzy on live in 99

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Completely wrong.

FD removed charm from any pet. And yea this bug is slightly annoying. You can't bail on a charm fight anymore without risking yourself by dismissing your pet before casting FD.

It also makes charm killing too easy for necros (w/ high charsima, but that's another story) since you can just charm and FD any agro onto your new pet.

siinge · #4 02-24-2010, 08:34 AM

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Completely wrong.

FD removed charm from any pet. And yea this bug is slightly annoying. You can't bail on a charm fight anymore without risking yourself by dismissing your pet before casting FD.

It also makes charm killing too easy for necros (w/ high charsima, but that's another story) since you can just charm and FD any agro onto your new pet.

negative played a necro in 99

i could charm frenzy fd and clear room repeat this was live

whats not classic are necro pets, a 49 necro pet with fine steel daggers was a monster. Was live for over a year. Mage pets were not as buffed as they are here. I think mage pets should be revered to live, Hell on live mage pets didn double attack or dw for 6 months. Yes played release. yes this was an issue

the delay on fine steal was in

hell giving your newb pet a 2 hander pre 20 would up its dmg considerably and has no effect here

quit the qq

necro charm and fd is fine

Soulfighter · #5 02-24-2010, 10:34 PM

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hell giving your newb pet a 2 hander pre 20 would up its dmg considerably and has no effect here

some links about that:

http://web.archive.org/web/200112120...ss=Necromancer

http://web.archive.org/web/200112120...Class=Magician

ammut · #6 02-25-2010, 02:47 PM

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negative played a necro in 99

i could charm frenzy fd and clear room repeat this was live

http://web.archive.org/web/200112230...ell.asp?Id=497

NECRO, By Richaard (1/28/2001)

There are a couple of things you can do to break charm. Cast Feign Death, Gather Shadows, or Hide. Any 3 of those should break charm. There should be a way to cancel out charm as normal. I personally dont understand why Verant forces you to wait untill spell runs it's course when you should be in control of the mob.

Edit : When they are at it... Devs should fix the trick that allow you to click the 'go away button' to break charm just before you finish casting your charm spell.

guineapig · #7 02-25-2010, 02:49 PM

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http://web.archive.org/web/200112230...ell.asp?Id=497

NECRO, By Richaard (1/28/2001)

There are a couple of things you can do to break charm. Cast Feign Death, Gather Shadows, or Hide. Any 3 of those should break charm. There should be a way to cancel out charm as normal. I personally dont understand why Verant forces you to wait untill spell runs it's course when you should be in control of the mob.

What about "pet go away"? That's how chanters do it, you just click the button.

guineapig · #8 02-25-2010, 02:53 PM

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Edit : When they are at it... Devs should fix the trick that allow you to click the 'go away button' to break charm just before you finish casting your charm spell.

Is that really a bug though? I mean you can do that with any spell. You can cast levitate and click off your old levitate right before it lands, same goes for enduring breath, etc...

Is the pet go away button not supposed to be there? (I honestly can't remember and wasn't playing in 1999). But as I understand it the button is just a hotkey for the /pet get lost command which anyone could make anyway.

ammut · #9 02-24-2010, 09:33 AM

siinge why so much hate?

Necro charm based on charisma is a bug.. the developpers are planning to fix it.

On the frenzy part, back in the day you didn't need a charmed pet to clear frenz, the pet did the job ok... Even now with the vanilla 49 pet you can clear frenz easely.

I stand on what i said... i really think that feign death was breaking charm back in the days.

siinge · #10 02-24-2010, 09:54 PM

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siinge why so much hate?

Necro charm based on charisma is a bug.. the developpers are planning to fix it.

On the frenzy part, back in the day you didn't need a charmed pet to clear frenz, the pet did the job ok... Even now with the vanilla 49 pet you can clear frenz easely.

I stand on what i said... i really think that feign death was breaking charm back in the days.

negative

Necro charm based on charisma is a bug? that made me chortle

All charm based spells have always been Charisma based. -Charisma dose not nor has ever helped a necro necro. You "think" feign death broke charm. Again incorrect back in 99 you could solo clear frenzy by charm fd clearing the room. The 49 Vanillia pet is not classic basesd its been tweaked. Even though verrant and sony did claim that later the dely on fine steel daggers did drop pets speed lvls. They later changed it when kunark came out. Well Kunark isnt out and giving the pet fine steel daggers does not change the pets attack speed. If we are gonna embrace classic we should have all the classic bugs as well. If not add in all the shit that was added to make the game less classic and more WoW. Like breeze, summon corpse, mage utily summon items, lowbie cleric lvl 20 rez etc.

Charm is currently fine even after the nerf, its working as intended. Please delete and move this thread.