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[Xaanka]

even cnn's producers say its fake news how oblivious and dumb would you have to be to watch it in 2017

[skarlorn]

TRUMP is a really terrible president

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God bless America

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

even cnn's producers say its fake news how oblivious and dumb would you have to be to watch it in 2017

the mentally ill soldiers forum i get my news from says flynn is toast

[Domo]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is German state news reporting the Russia Trump connection?

No, not realy.
I mean Trump is unfortunately a daily topic here in germany and the Trump Russia connection been here a "smaller" story I would say.
The main storys about Trump been so far the Muslim-ban, the wall, paris climate agreement, his healthcare plan, that he fired the FBI director and that a investigating against Trump might be the reason, and his behavior I would say. At laest in the News I am reading on daily base.


Personally, I am not very familiar with American politics, but I know that I would not like to have Trump as my president (chancellor), solely because he visits his own hotels several times as President and let taxpayers pay for it.
(I get it that its expensive to protect a President, but why does he have to vist his own Hotels? From my POV it looks like he likes to make some extra coins)


Anyways, beside that I am trying to be very neutral to american politics. "Not my country, not my porblem". But I am sometimes very interested in the american culture.

Dont get me wrong, but america is a country I can hate and love at the same time.

Few years ago Ive seen a video about the american "westboro baptist church" and their signs with "thanks god for the dead soldiers" 200meters away from a soldiers funeral.
And I was totaly shocked and thrilled at the same time.
On the one hand I was pissed that such idiots doing such horribel thing, on the other hand I was supriced how the people around them reacted.
They were pissed like me, but they let them speak. Sure, their been some people who throw paper cups at them, but overall they let them speak. That was the moment when I realized how much Americans appreciate their freedom of speech.
It was a picture of extrems Ive seen in this video. Good and bad at the same time.

And this extrem "template" is characteristic for the american culture I think.
You can be sent for 1000years+ into jail, or you can get millions as compensation.
Prostitution is not allowed, but as long you put a camera on its ok.
You can show on TV how someone gets killed, but you are not allowed to show a nipple.
You are can be released from North Korea, but you can die at home because you do not have any health insurance.
You are alllowed to sell an idiot a gun, but you have to print "coffee is hot" on the paper cups.

Know what I mean?

And right now I am very interested in the american "Trump cult & his hardcore supporters".
Its a another extrem.
The people have their reason why they support Trump, but I am fascinated about those who do it without any criticism. Like Lemmings.
I mean you can be critical with Trump and still support him, especially in "the country of free speech" right? But some of his supporters acting like they are supporting a sports team.

Anyways, I better stop here now because my english sucks and the chance to missunderstand me is high.

But thats kinda the reason why I am asking here from time to time a "no sence" question ?!

[mickmoranis]

you can be critical of trump or you can enjoy the ride, either way hes gonna do what he wants to do.

[entruil]

gettin vargg flashbacks from glancing....either way...

No Spoilers...

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He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

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He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

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Georgia:
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[Rader]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, not realy.
I mean Trump is unfortunately a daily topic here in germany and the Trump Russia connection been here a "smaller" story I would say.
The main storys about Trump been so far the Muslim-ban, the wall, paris climate agreement, his healthcare plan, that he fired the FBI director and that a investigating against Trump might be the reason, and his behavior I would say. At laest in the News I am reading on daily base.


Personally, I am not very familiar with American politics, but I know that I would not like to have Trump as my president (chancellor), solely because he visits his own hotels several times as President and let taxpayers pay for it.
(I get it that its expensive to protect a President, but why does he have to vist his own Hotels? From my POV it looks like he likes to make some extra coins)


Anyways, beside that I am trying to be very neutral to american politics. "Not my country, not my porblem". But I am sometimes very interested in the american culture.

Dont get me wrong, but america is a country I can hate and love at the same time.

Few years ago Ive seen a video about the american "westboro baptist church" and their signs with "thanks god for the dead soldiers" 200meters away from a soldiers funeral.
And I was totaly shocked and thrilled at the same time.
On the one hand I was pissed that such idiots doing such horribel thing, on the other hand I was supriced how the people around them reacted.
They were pissed like me, but they let them speak. Sure, their been some people who throw paper cups at them, but overall they let them speak. That was the moment when I realized how much Americans appreciate their freedom of speech.
It was a picture of extrems Ive seen in this video. Good and bad at the same time.

And this extrem "template" is characteristic for the american culture I think.
You can be sent for 1000years+ into jail, or you can get millions as compensation.
Prostitution is not allowed, but as long you put a camera on its ok.
You can show on TV how someone gets killed, but you are not allowed to show a nipple.
You are can be released from North Korea, but you can die at home because you do not have any health insurance.
You are alllowed to sell an idiot a gun, but you have to print "coffee is hot" on the paper cups.

Know what I mean?

And right now I am very interested in the american "Trump cult & his hardcore supporters".
Its a another extrem.
The people have their reason why they support Trump, but I am fascinated about those who do it without any criticism. Like Lemmings.
I mean you can be critical with Trump and still support him, especially in "the country of free speech" right? But some of his supporters acting like they are supporting a sports team.

Anyways, I better stop here now because my english sucks and the chance to missunderstand me is high.

But thats kinda the reason why I am asking here from time to time a "no sence" question ?!

It really is not that complicated. Americans today are total retards, living off the spoils of previous generations. Who the F would vote for Obama, TWICE, and then vote for Trump?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really is not that complicated. Americans today are total retards, living off the spoils of previous generations. Who the F would vote for Obama, TWICE, and then vote for Trump?

very enlightening thx 4 disrespecting his contribution and a perspective we don't often get on these forums (HINT: EUROPE)

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So who are the fake news according to Trump?

News channels who report about a Trump / Russia connection?
News channesl who are critical with Trump?
News channels who dont pay him tribute?

NASA had to make a statement that they weren't taking kids to slave colonies on mars..

The guy that said that is a personal friend of trump and was given white house press credentials

That should tell you the credibility of trump when he says anything about "fake news"