Conservatism vs Progressivism

[Filthy_Pagan]

Holy shit Lurikeen im proud of you. A+ response

[Raev]

op is both a moron and an omega cuck who gets off on forum beatdowns. The best response is to just ignore him.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's see... "the war on drugs" was not started by conservatives. In fact, FDR pushed for the "Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act" in 1935. I think you would agree that FDR is one of the heroes of progressive politics? At any rate, you can't blame the conservatives for the drug war. Plenty of presidents who were liberals supported the "war on drugs."

incorrect it was created by Nixon

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Privatised Prison system"... Your point here is so ridiculous one has to wonder what drugs you might have been on when typing your complaint. I suppose you simply hate private industry and have somehow equated contracting out a prison system (which isn't a wide spread practice in the US) with violating the Constitution. Who knows what you are thinking here.

dont be upset that I hate private industry controlling social programs. I love private industry when it comes to tech or innovation.. but controlling social programs? hell no. there are many obvious reasons why this is a bad idea, and im sure ill get more into them as i continue on through your response.

I am equating our current prison system to cruel and unusual, and if you look at other developed nations, it is. Our constitution should protect us from the rape & violence from other prisoners that we ALL are well aware of, let alone violence from the guards. yes, our current system IS cruen and unusual, and that we are subjected to that is an attack on our freedom and the constitution.

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Standardized Testing/No child left behind" is technically a re-authorization of the "Elementary and Secondary Education Act" signed into law in 1965. Care to guess which Democrat president was in office in 1965?

I wont counter that, I'll have to look into it more!

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Trickle Down Economics" is a derogatory term used by Populists who really don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to economics. There isn't an economist alive who says that "Trickle Down Economics" works, because the term refers to a complete red herring. There just isn't such an economic "animal" just like unicorns don't really exist.

first of all TDE is what Reaganomics is and Reaganomics are the economic policies that are the keystone to the 1980's conservitive movement that we are only 30 years later begining to repair, denying that they decimated our economy is denying your immediate history.

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In 1974 Nixon, after following the lead of bipartisan efforts to get at least a universal catastrophic health care plan to Americans, proposed an employer mandated health care plan as a replacement for Medicaid.

This is a phantasy, nixon began the downward spiral of privatized medicine that has resulted in americas drastic healtcare system failure.

Once again, a conservative is patient zero for an enacted policy that results in a catastrophic failure.

Please, now since you are so edumacated, supply examples of failed progressive policies. If you can find one.

NEXT

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

op is both a moron and an omega cuck who gets off on forum beatdowns. The best response is to just ignore him.

what was it peopel say about liberals who just respond to facts with attacks?

hmm... this guy is a confirmed corporate bitch. So I guess it goes both ways.

[Lune]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

The only thing that resonated "as me" with this list, was Irrational gun hate.. Me? personally I hate guns and I think they are dangerous and stupid and for the simple minded.. but I DO NOT THINK it is an issue that should be politicized right now. thats actually part of the reason I love Bernie so much, he doest either.. its too divisive.

I suppose yes i don't care about muslims, but I don't see you posting about accidental gun deaths, which equate to MORE death in america than muslim terrorism. Well aside for 9/11 which I will give you... Im just not going to let that ONE instance, guide my entire belief system like many others.

mass sex assault? - you def going to go out on a limb here.

multiculturalism? - I suppose yu mean that i am unwilling to admit that skin color has NO natural effect on your ability to do ANYTHING. or maybe that its I respect other cultures because they are just as good and just as bad as americans, who are pretty fucking scummy if you actually look at them objectively.

radical feminist? I am simply a feminist, and my feminism ends when someone disagrees that I think Miley Cyrus is the most prolific feminist of our generation.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment.

This country deserves TRUMP

[Zugsmash]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im going to try to have a discussion about the failed conservative movement vs the neverending march of progress.

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please, if you think conservatism is the way to go, feel free to post a failed progressive program or ideal.

Try to refrain from posting your opinions on whether something has failed, or at least try to find bipartisan support that indicates that the ideal or program you posted about is indeed a failure.

Examples of Conservative policies, programs or ideals that are complete and total failures:

The War on Drugs - This is a catastrophic failure that has done nothing to stop drug use and in many cases increased crime and drug use across the nation. The very idea that it is still an active policy is depressing.

Privatised Prison system - It's in the fucking constitution, just like the 2nd amendment is, that we should not live under the threat of cruel and unusual punishment. But nobody seems to care about that.

Standardized Testing/No child left behind - This is the most retarded way to think about education. it is a complete and total failure.

Trickle Down Economics - There are no economists that disagree that this is a myth

Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974 - Basically the patient zero for the complete meltdown of any semblance of healthcare america ever had, resulting in the failed system we have been trying to change for the last 8 years.

the list does and will go on and on... go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

PS one thing you can connect all the dots to when it comes to republican policy - they all are designed to disenfranchise black americans. So if you're going to be honest, then they are all quite successful.. the problem is if you're going to be honest, you're a racist piece of shit neocon.

You really hate Conservatives. Lets see what your amazing DEMs have done for us in the past.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt - Created the Welfare system and every Dem has used that atrocity to secure votes and keep people in poverty.

That system has millions of American's being comfortable sitting at home collecting money while everyone else pays for them.

President Jimmy Carter - Stopped our money being backed by Gold and placed on the Fiat system. Created Department of Energy and Department of Education. Just keep making the Federal Gov't BIGGER! Nothing else needs to be said.

President Bill Clinton - Went to the Federal Reserve, AIG and other major lenders and told them to make it easier for people to get housing loans. So, what did this create. It had people getting housing loans for more than they could possibly pay back.

How is this possible??

You went to your local bank. You asked for a $400,000 loan for a house. The local bank knew you could only afford a house for $200,000 but gave you the 400k loan anyways. Why you ask?? Because the bank would immediately sell your mortgage loan to the Federal Reserve. So, when you defaulted it wouldn't be local bank out of money on that loan it fell on the Federal Reserve holding that mortgage.

This is what created the housing market crash! Not Bush.

This is the reason the economy was booming during Clinton. People were getting loans they couldn't afford because local banks did not have to worry about you defaulting on the loan.

President Obama- Socialist Muslim doing his best to destroy the fabric of everything this country has stood for. At every turn he has sympathized with Muslim groups and released 5 of the most dangerous detainees in GTMO for a fucking Army deserter without any type of approval. He is constantly playing on the violence in America to create riots and do everything possible to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

dude next time you feel like writing a wall of text like this? just write "I'm a dumbass" and save us the seconds