Single mob camping rules?

[Crawdad]

Losing them to someones 23rd twinked monk and boxed necro is really pissing me off.

It doesn't matter if you've been here 10 years or 10 days, show respect to other players. Everything here is either a camp or FTE. I'm not sure what camp you might be at that's causing you confusion, but nothing is a Dps race. You being in raw hide doesn't give you priority over a 200k-twinked monk. For the most part, especially leveling up/doing the normal camps that people do, being polite goes a long way.

[Menden]

The game is fairly complicated due to there being many types of NPCs/mobs and camps in this game. If you're ever set on camping something and want the guidelines /petition is always an option. But don't lawyer quest us, use common sense. If you don't have that, don't play here. And again, these are BASIC guidelines to follow. If a camp dispute does happen you really, really don't want us involved because there is a chance you or both parties could be kicked out of the zone.

There's two basic zone categories.

Open outdoor zones and dungeon type zones.

Open outdoor zones could be anything from the Karanas, Wastes or Commons.

Dungeon type zones could be anything from MM, COM, hhk, Guks, or Sebilis.


These are very basic guidelines when it comes to camps in this game.

For open outdoor zones you can claim a single spawn point. This may include SF, Hadden or OOT AC. If you're camping these mobs you need to get FTE within a reasonable amount of time.

For dungeon type zones our general guideline is line of sight(LOS)/agro range. This works for pretty much everything. Couple exemptions may be Fungi King or Captain in Karnors because it's not exactly practical to camp on top or within LOS/agro range of their spawns.


Also keep in mind, above is how we as staff see it. There's also player defined camps out there we don't enforce but HIGHLY encourage players follow. Player defined camps may include Sisters in lfay or Gnoll Spires in SK.

TLDR: Don't be a douche.

Does that help?

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be a douche.

Come on man... You know that is asking way too much from certain players.

[Menden]

Originally Posted by I Felt Nostalgic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on man... You know that is asking way too much from certain players.

Sorry ><

[Liia]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For open outdoor zones you can claim a single spawn point. This may include SF, Hadden or OOT AC. If you're camping these mobs you need to get FTE within a reasonable amount of time.

For dungeon type zones our general guideline is line of sight(LOS)/agro range. This works for pretty much everything. Couple exemptions may be Fungi King or Captain in Karnors because it's not exactly practical to camp on top or within LOS/agro range of their spawns.

I recently started to camp Alice 4 in PoM after not going there for a few years. A few years ago, 22 and Brenn/Grenn were the only 2 thrones dropper camp. . Due to some infamous like Svenn, Lunatick and others, those were considered 2 separated camps cause you didnt had line of sight on both camps. Now with the addition to Glonk/Grink is it now 4 camps?

I tried to avoid being a dick so far and claiming a camp while the the actual camper is away killing another mob. So, I would like to know if theres a ruling possible to be made there. Usually Brenn/Grenn is main room and if the farmer at least pull them all there it could avoid some problems, cause the dude sometimes leave that room for 15mins killing other PHs then gets back and consider it his camp and some drama may follow.

Anyway, I was wondering if you could make a ruling here Menden, it would be appreciated. Thanks

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're ever set on camping something and want the guidelines /petition is always an option.

Can we talk about just this part? Would it maybe, just maybe, make sense to publish those rules outside of the in-game petition system (which then gets parroted and turned into pseudo rules passed around the forum)? In other words, can we put what you just wrote, in a more refined form, in the official rules?

I know you GMs like your rules ambiguity so that you have full discretion to make rulings, and you should have that discretion: but can't we get a win win here? Can't you define explicit, public rules that the whole server can be clear on ... while at the same time asserting "but we can do whatever the crap we want in game, we're GMs bitches!!!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And FWIW I'd freely volunteer my time, in any capacity that I could be useful, to help make that happen. My time's not worth a lot since I'm not staff, but I'm a former Lit major (good at English editing) and wiki addict (good at wiki editing, if we wanted to put the rules in an admin-locked wiki page so we don't have a bunch of different copies floating around the forums ... which would be awesome).

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we talk about just this part? Would it maybe, just maybe, make sense to publish those rules outside of the in-game petition system (which then gets parroted and turned into pseudo rules passed around the forum)?

I know you GMs like your rules ambiguity so that you have full discretion to make rulings, and you should have that discretion: but can't we get a win win here? Can't you define explicit, public rules that the whole server can be clear on ... while at the same time asserting "but we can do whatever the crap we want in game, we're GMs bitches!!!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And FWIW I'd freely volunteer my time, in any capacity that I could be useful, to help make that happen. My time's not worth a lot since I'm not staff, but I'm a former Lit major (good at English editing) and wiki addict (good at wiki editing, if we wanted to put the rules in an admin-locked wiki page so we don't have a bunch of different copies floating around the forums ... which would be awesome).

Here ya go!
https://www.project1999.com/forums/a...ement.php?f=33

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Liia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recently started to camp Alice 4 in PoM after not going there for a few years. A few years ago, 22 and Brenn/Grenn were the only 2 thrones dropper camp. . Due to some infamous like Svenn, Lunatick and others, those were considered 2 separated camps cause you didnt had line of sight on both camps. Now with the addition to Glonk/Grink is it now 4 camps?

I tried to avoid being a dick so far and claiming a camp while the the actual camper is away killing another mob. So, I would like to know if theres a ruling possible to be made there. Usually Brenn/Grenn is main room and if the farmer at least pull them all there it could avoid some problems, cause the dude sometimes leave that room for 15mins killing other PHs then gets back and consider it his camp and some drama may follow.

Anyway, I was wondering if you could make a ruling here Menden, it would be appreciated. Thanks

Based on those parroted rules passed around in forums, which Menden just summarized (they're not in the official rules document yet, but that post is a HUGE improvement), I'm going predict a ruling.

A multi-spawn camp is two NPCs close to each other (typically within line of site, and usually in the same room) in an indoor zone. PoM isn't an indoor zone, ergo it has no (multi-mob) camps. But the way Menden phrased things, it could be considered a "dungeon". Either way, the only potential "camp" that would qualify in that area would be the twins; all the other "camps" there are one mob per room.

Like any outdoor zone (or indoor/dungeon zone where a multi-spawn camp ruling doesn't apply) each player can camp a single spawn point: the gorilla, or the mouse, or Twenty-Two, or the twins (maybe just one, but since they share a room and PoM is arguably a dungeon I'd imagine they count as one camp).

You have to pick one and only that one is "yours" ... but you can still do the other mobs at A4 (or the rest of Alice), as long as no one else is claiming them as their one spawn point. If you pick the gorilla, and someone else picks Twenty-Two you can't kill Twenty Two ... but you can kill either the mouse or either one of the twins, as long as you beat the guy at Twenty-Two to be the "first to engage" them.

All of that is 100% separate from what the players consider to be "a camp", and the staff would of course encourage you to work things out with any other players there rather than bother them.

How'd I do?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by I Felt Nostalgic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here ya go!
https://www.project1999.com/forums/a...ement.php?f=33

I'm no guide. I <3 this game and this server but I just don't have it in me to play customer service rep to a bunch of entitled players like myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'm just so grateful that others are and that I get to play on such a well run server as a result of their volunteer efforts.

Instead I look for other opportunities to contribute back to the project. For instance, at former GM Derubael's request I wrote the very detailed (and heavily screenshotted) Titanium Installation Guide that you can find in the wiki.

Doing a rules "revamp" and including stuff like Menden's post in more official language seems like something I might be able to add some value to, but it's entirely up to the staff whether any such project is even warranted.

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm no guide. I <3 this game and this server but I just don't have it in me to play customer service rep to a bunch of entitled players like myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'm just so grateful that others are and that I get to play on such a well run server as a result of their volunteer efforts.

Instead I look for other opportunities to contribute back to the project. For instance, at former GM Derubael's request I wrote the very detailed (and heavily screenshotted) Titanium Installation Guide that you can find in the wiki.

Doing a rules "revamp" and including stuff like Menden's post in more official language seems like something I might be able to add some value to, but it's entirely up to the staff whether any such project is even warranted.

I understand and I guess it would depend on if you were given any forum powers. If you are in any way able to create havoc, I think it would be fair to have you submit a formal application like guides do so you can be monitored if you decide to go rogue at any point.


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