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Old 02-06-2017, 04:57 PM
Ennewi Ennewi is offline
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Default Bard Skyshrine Armor - Name / Stats

After happening upon a random comment on Allakhazam, it looks somewhat likely that the Skyshrine armor for Bards was originally called Highsun armor.
From what I've read, the armor pieces were changed to include the Vah Shir race and at that point the name was also changed to Twilight.

http://riku.game.coocan.jp/eq/brd/sov_armor.html

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5649

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#Nov 10 2002 at 3:47 AMRating: Excellent
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Highsun armor was renamed to be twilight.
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#Jan 14 2003 at 3:34 PMRating: Default
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Just being nosey, but why did they change the name? Were there other forces at work here or did they just not like the name?
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#Apr 17 2003 at 7:49 AMRating: Decent
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Prolly had something to do with the fact that it didnt list Vah on the highsun, so they renamed it Twilight and added Vah shir.


http://www.oocities.org/valmirvonreed/ArmorWri.htm

http://alliance_of_mandl.tripod.com/...uest_armor.htm
...lists both Twilight and Highsun armor pieces, but the links no longer work for the latter as they were likely changed from classic.

http://keepersoftheglade.com/forum/c...ne-bard-armor/
...2006, again shows both types
http://knightsofthewhiterose.yuku.com
...shows both types, with the helms having slightly different stats.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/arch...date_0301.html
...indicates some highsun armor was added in March 2001, approx 9 months before Shadows of Luclin was released.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...tml?quest=1116

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#Oct 26 2001 at 8:28 PMRating: Default
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Ok, there are two rewards listed??? which one is it? Highsun or Twilight? would be helpful to know.

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#Jul 09 2002 at 2:44 AMRating: Excellent
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Twilight is the Skyshrine Bard armor.
#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 05 2002 at 4:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) twighlite is the luclin quest armor i believe
#Anonymous, Posted: Dec 04 2001 at 12:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Both rewards have the same stats... i belive


It seems Highsun was the pre-Luclin version of Twilight armor? If anyone else remembers specifics or has more concrete information, please add below.
Hoping this means no more armor that reminds people of those crap vampire movies.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:03 PM
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Interestingly the early April '01 entry for the archived Allakhazam site displays both boots at the same time. As late as September 2001, at least, both sets of arms are still displayed together in the database. The earliest pictures of Twilight armor displays no Vah Shir race option. All of the few comments for Highsun boots are from late March. I could find no comments about Twilight pieces from earlier than April 2001, so the name change presumably took place no later than early April, and possibly earlier given the general delays involved with stuff being submitted and appearing on Allakhazam. Barring something more concrete I surmise that the name change occurred as part of the general modifications and upgrades to Velious loot which was ongoing during that period.

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Old 02-08-2017, 08:30 AM
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Agreed, but then some of the item images on Alla seem questionable, for example...

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7368

...doesn't list VAH on a Luclin item and it's a classic UI which, afaik, had been phased out in Velious altogether. However, the comments suggest that Luclin's release was a mess all around, items included.

BArD mistakes on behalf Verant.
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#Dec 18 2001 at 11:09 AMRating: Default
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Anyhow I gotta rant.

No songs work on Luclin launch day.
No AE songs work still

Vah Shir Illusion mask doesn't have human listed
This doesn't have Vah Shir listed.


They remove AE to Group-only on the stackable haste songs

They need to do more testing in general.. but from now on they should pay special attention to bards since they ***** something up for us almost every patch.

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#Dec 14 2001 at 9:40 PMRating: Default
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What i would like to know is the added percentage to songs, and what mob drops this flute. By the way, kitties can't use Di'Zok Wristsnapper either, *cackle*

...so the devs simply forgot to add certain races to certain Luclin items.


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5979

Just a tip...
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#Jan 11 2003 at 1:08 AMRating: Decent
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Got mine tonight, and yes, It's plate and Vah Shir (VAH)useable as well as the rest of the Twilight armor, the pic must be older than Luclin.

Also the helm you get won't have a graphic, in order to get the graphic to appear you must go to Supreme Laochsmith Psonn, who you can find .. all the way up the Tower past the

Quest Armor room .. its a trip even with Selo's.

He will tell you ..."Using my obviously superior skills I can customize a plate helm from the Shrine to suit a (Your Class) such as yourself. Give me your Blood Lord's Crown, Scaled

Knight's Helm, Helm of Twilight, Akkirus' Crown of the Risen, Cowl of Mortality, Frostreaver's Velium Crown, Crown of the Kromzek Kings, or Crown of the Myrmidon and I shall

make you a new helm that will better hise and protect your unscaled features."

No tricks, But you do need MAX ALLY faction to do these quests.

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#May 08 2002 at 12:16 PMRating: Decent
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Does anyone know if these are vah shir wearable? I want to start a kitty bard but would like to have this armor to look forward too.


Also, according to a post on Allakhazam, Highsun armor was yellow instead of Twilight's grey(?) and had inferior stats.

Already Second Best Bard Breastplate
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#Feb 17 2001 at 3:26 AMRating: Default
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Leave it up to Afterlife to go and ruin everyone's fun. Thott gets all the bardic items before anyone. Check it out:

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/Highsun.jpg

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/Highsun-stats.gif


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4967

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#May 06 2001 at 2:30 PMRating: Decent
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Resonant Breastplate
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
AC: +42 Str: +8 Sta: +10 Dex: +10 Cha: +10 Magic Resist: +8 Fire Resist: +2 Cold Resist: +2 Poison Resist: +2 Disease Resist: +2 HP: +50
Weight: 9.0
Classes: Bard
Races: Human Half Elf Wood Elf
Inventory Slot: Chest


Now look at this

Breastplate of Twilight
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
AC: +50 Str: +11 Sta: +11 Agi: +11 Cha: +11 Magic Resist: +10 Fire Resist: +5 Cold Resist: +5 Poison Resist: +5 Disease Resist: +5 HP: +60
Weight: 9.0
Classes: Bard
Races: Human Half Elf Wood Elf
Inventory Slot: Chest

The hardest quest are the skyshrine quests which gives you Highsun Boots, Bracer, Helm, and Vambraces. There is also skyshrine quests for Twilight armor. I don't know which is better because there is no such thing as a highsun bp and no such thing as a twilight helm so maybe there is a connection between the two. Same set of armor different names? they come from the same place. I thought there was only one type of skyshrine armor per class. Hmmmmmm

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#May 25 2002 at 2:32 PMRating: Excellent
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The name of the bard Skyshrine armor was changed from Highsun to Twilight some months back. There is no quest for Highsun armor now. Only Twilight.

So one player is obviously incorrect in saying that there was no Highsun BP but he also says both types are available for bards.

Also, interesting to note, that Twilight Sea came out in Luclin zone with its own Twilight armor sets, except each had specific names and bard's was called Bravado's.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q....html?zone=133

That could be the reason for the armor's name change, though it only adds to the confusion more.

Will do some more digging around, thanks Danth.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:49 AM
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http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5564

what the hell
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#Apr 22 2001 at 9:13 AMRating: Default
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im a lvl 39 bard and people seriously dont ***** about bards not needing dex WE NEED DEX TO MAKE OUR SONGS BETTER this would be insane for a bard from lvl 1 to 45 then at 46 its plane armour and Singing steel and then at like 50 its questing for the Thurgadin kael and skyshrine armour Oh yes i got bp legs arms and helm of Thurgadin armou rand im almost finished with the Highsun armour woot!
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Old 05-24-2022, 06:12 PM
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This is something that we can change, but I had trouble finding actual links for the breastplate and legs.

I saw several mentions of the Helm, Boots, Bracer, and Vambraces. And that Highsun armor was originally a bright bright yellow guardian armor before it changed to Twilight.

This still needs more information for a timeline and detail.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:48 AM
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When I search the Allakhazam archives for July 2001 (the earliest capture that seems to show Velious quest armor, the screenshots all seem to be from April 2001 though), I see no Highsun for Chest or Legs, as Nilbog mentioned, but I do see Twilight armor:

The screenshots don't feature Vahshir in the race list, so that theory seems to be out.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010711...html?item=5648

https://web.archive.org/web/20010711...html?item=5615

https://web.archive.org/web/20010711...html?item=5649

I see Highsun vambraces, submitted a bit earlier (by a couple of weeks) than the Twilight armor: https://web.archive.org/web/20010711...html?item=5297

I'm not sure when or if Twilight replaced Highsun. But Twilight seemed to become available relatively early in Velious, maybe even from the start? Muddy issue.
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Old 05-25-2022, 03:28 AM
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https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi...tml/24561.html

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<b>Message ID:</b> 24561 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Wed Apr 25 01:36:58 BST 2001 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> jay schultze <br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eqbards] Velious armor <br/>
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Resonant and Melodic are almost identical. It's just easier to go to PoG and <br/>farm Resonant than it is to quest for Melodic in Thurgadin.
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Highsun armor from Skyshrine was superior to the above in every way <br/>
(example: BP has 50 AC). It had a yellow guardian armor look. A couple <br/>
patches ago it was changed to Twilight armor with a dark gray guardian armor <br/>
look. Stats are same as before, they just changed the name and color.
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Troubador armor from Kael is the highest AC armor for bards (BP has 54 AC). <br/>
It had a teal guardian armor look. A couple of patches ago the tint on the <br/>
armor was changed to burgundy, but the name and stats are the same to my <br/>
knowledge.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021120...m=5649&start=0

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Highsun vs. Twilight Reply... By: calli, Guru
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Posted @ Mon, Aug 12th 1:19 PM 2002 Score: Excellent[5.00]
If these are the bard SS arms, where do the Vambraces of Highsun (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5297) come from? Originally, I thought the Highsun pieces were the bard SS quest armors for arms, boots, and helm.

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Posted @ Sun, Nov 10th 3:47 AM 2002 Score: Decent[3.00]
Highsun armor was renamed to be twilight.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030208...html?item=4967

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You want a REAL bard Breastplate? Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Sun, May 6th 3:30 PM 2001 Score: Good[3.60]
Resonant Breastplate
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
AC: +42 Str: +8 Sta: +10 Dex: +10 Cha: +10 Magic Resist: +8 Fire Resist: +2 Cold Resist: +2 Poison Resist: +2 Disease Resist: +2 HP: +50
Weight: 9.0
Classes: Bard
Races: Human Half Elf Wood Elf
Inventory Slot: Chest


Now look at this

Breastplate of Twilight
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
AC: +50 Str: +11 Sta: +11 Agi: +11 Cha: +11 Magic Resist: +10 Fire Resist: +5 Cold Resist: +5 Poison Resist: +5 Disease Resist: +5 HP: +60
Weight: 9.0
Classes: Bard
Races: Human Half Elf Wood Elf
Inventory Slot: Chest

The hardest quest are the skyshrine quests which gives you Highsun Boots, Bracer, Helm, and Vambraces. There is also skyshrine quests for Twilight armor. I don't know which is better because there is no such thing as a highsun bp and no such thing as a twilight helm so maybe there is a connection between the two. Same set of armor different names? they come from the same place. I thought there was only one type of skyshrine armor per class. Hmmmmmm


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RE: You want a REAL bard Breastplate? Reply... By: stpnwlf, Sage
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Posted @ Sat, May 25th 3:32 PM 2002 Score: Excellent[5.00]
The name of the bard Skyshrine armor was changed from Highsun to Twilight some months back. There is no quest for Highsun armor now. Only Twilight.
Above, one commenter claims that there was no Highsun Breastplate or Helm of Twilight.

And yet, the Helm of Twilight is listed as being in the Scars of Velious expansion on Allakhazam as well as other sites...

https://web.archive.org/web/20040229...html?item=5979

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Helm of Twilight
Item Glossary
MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Weight: 5.5 Size: SMALL
Slot: HEAD
AC: +22 Dex: +5 Sta: +5 Cha: +5 Fire Resist: +3 Disease Resist: +3 Cold Resist: +3 Magic Resist: +3 Poison Resist: +3 HP: +45
Classes: Bard
Races: Vah Shir Wood Elf Half Elf Human
Slot 1: Type 7
Velious Required: Yes
Last updated: Fri Dec 12 13:04:58 2003
Rarity: Rare
Level to Attain: 53
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Since Bards are a plate class, I would imagine that the upper-echelon armours are in fact plate. A guess, but an educated one, methinks. =)

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Also, as previously linked but not clearly indicated/properly displayed, here is the Breastplate of Highsun and its stats...

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/Highsun.jpg

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http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/...hsun-stats.gif

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It appears that the commenter at the top of this post was incorrect in saying that the breastplate had 50ac (which is actually the armor count for the Breastplate of Twilight), but they did provide a rough estimate of when the change from highsun to twilight occurred. It seems plausible that this change occurred before many bards were able to collect the required turn-ins and complete the full set. Still, there is no information about the greaves, assuming they existed. More research later as it becomes available.
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Old 05-25-2022, 07:49 AM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20010826...mparisons.html

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Old 08-12-2022, 08:15 AM
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Here's a Legacy of Steel picture of a skyshrine breastplate from April 21, 2001

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https://legacyofsteel.net/archive/2001-04-21
(Sorry for the caption haha.)
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In other news, Jangos [redacted] finished the Skyshrine quest for her breastessess plate
No idea if this is Highsun or Twilight. Looks like our Twilight.
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