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[Misek84]

Funny how so many people believe in the liberial lie of “free” healthcare and college paid for by the 1%. Simple math would show you that that is impossible and in fact regular working people will just end up paying for this “free” healthcare and college, like they always do.

From recent stats the top 1% (individuals/families making over $470k) made little under $2trillion dollars in yearly income and paid $550billion in fed income taxes at an average rate of about 28%. So at a rate of 100% the theoretically limit you can squeeze out of the rich would be an extra $1.5trillion (even less than that due to state income taxes and other taxes). However, taxing people making over $470k a year at 100% would certainly result in economical collapse in a year and country collapse in 2. I would figure the most you can possibly squeeze out of them without causing complete collapse would be maybe $750billion (that is a very generous estimate and would still cause serious economical problems). So even with the most favirable assumptions you can only get $750billion which isnt even enough to cover our current yearly deficit let alone some crazy expensive things like free healthcare or free college. Thus were would the money come from, the only place it mathematically can come from, the middle class. In the end if you want a normal life, family, and home you gonna end paying double for healthcare/college through increased taxes instead of paying only half of that directly to insurances/colleges. I say double in increased taxes because you now gonna have to pay for the millions upon millions of freeloaders currently not paying anything in federal income taxes.

The more you know (TM)

[feniin]

Thanks for the wall of text that nobody will read.

Universal healthcare isn't a fairy tale, you donut. It works in every other Western nation. We're just too fucking stupid and let the rich tell us it won't work here.

[Misek84]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the wall of text that nobody will read.

Universal healthcare isn't a fairy tale, you donut. It works in every other Western nation. We're just too fucking stupid and let the rich tell us it won't work here.

Lol so u bash my comment because it has to many words cause you can argue the math. Im not saying its a fairy tale and of course it is possible. Im just arguing the fairy tail that it will be “free” (paid for by the rich). If the middle class wants to double what they pay for healthcare/college so some freeloaders get it for free go ahead but dont lie about who will pay for it. In the end notings for free and someone/sometime will have to pay for it.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Universal healthcare isn't a fairy tale, you donut. It works in every other Western nation.

Britain's universal healthcare sucks. Some highlights:

• A 2011 report demonstrated that the average cancer survival rate was 71.18% in the USA as compared to 54.48% in England.
• In Britain a shocking 4 million people languish on waiting lists according to official sources in a population of scarcely over 65 million
• 25% of British cardiac patients die waiting for treatment, and an investigation by a British newspaper found that delays in treatment for colon and lung cancer patients have been so long that 20% of cases were incurable by the time they finally received care
• NHS's budget has tripled since 1990
• According to the OECD Britain has the lowest number of doctors per thousand population in the advanced world

I am not defending crony capitalist system we have here, but socialism fails at medicine just like it fails at everything else.

[Misek84]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not defending crony capitalist system we have here, but socialism fails at medicine just like it fails at everything else.

Socialism doesnt fail at everything, its really good at getting votes from dumasses by promising them free stuff but delivering misery with a touch of class/race division.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socialism doesnt fail at everything, its really good at getting votes from dumasses by promising them free stuff but delivering misery with a touch of class/race division.

there is no war but class war my friend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Britain's universal healthcare sucks. Some highlights:

• A 2011 report demonstrated that the average cancer survival rate was 71.18% in the USA as compared to 54.48% in England.
• In Britain a shocking 4 million people languish on waiting lists according to official sources in a population of scarcely over 65 million
• 25% of British cardiac patients die waiting for treatment, and an investigation by a British newspaper found that delays in treatment for colon and lung cancer patients have been so long that 20% of cases were incurable by the time they finally received care
• NHS's budget has tripled since 1990
• According to the OECD Britain has the lowest number of doctors per thousand population in the advanced world

I am not defending crony capitalist system we have here, but socialism fails at medicine just like it fails at everything else.

Cite healthcare statistics that don't come from an editorial on an Austrian-economics propaganda-horn.

Look at the sources cited by your link:

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Not one scholarly article or source; only other news articles, daily mail, and fellow anti-socialism propaganda pieces.

You're gullible and easily tricked by official-sounding editorials.

[America]

clicked LUne latest reply thread to do this

*makes toilet flushing noise*

[Raev]

Feel free to produce better sources that refute any facts I have posted. I'll update my viewpoint if you can.

[Wonkie]

He didn't negotiate anything. The uniparty shit on his desk and he ate it.