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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hear that everyone -- some middle class white guy from America thinks him being born as a middle class white guy in America means nothing. And your just as well off as a poor Indian dude.

Afterall, some poor guys from India have become rich -- That means every single poor Indian dude can be rich -- and its their failure for not.

There's nothing stopping a poor Indian guy from getting rich like there's nothing stopping me from being a professional football player. Your like someone starting on 3rd base and can't even admit it.

Not that Socialist argue: "were all winners and just as good." They argue the bottom shouldn't be rock bottom just because your can't take care of yourself in a competitive economy better than others.

I don't care about being rich, helping people get rich, or how rich people feel. That's the truth about me.

I also find your white identity politics hilariously ironic. Sorry I pointed out white men were a lot better off in the 70s high society scene (when most current billionaires made their money) than other races/genders...fuckin snowflake

Why is Sweden a better country than Somalia?

Hint: culture, not melanin

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stupid argument. You seem to ignore that a 25 year old with 500 mil to their name has a lot more going for them than just that amount of money. Almost certainly had powerful family connections or perhaps some kind of born freakish talent at something.

you really should read my post about how shitty your parents were.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a Republican dude obsession -- not mine. I don't think their should be upper millionaires and billionaires because the wealth is never justified at that level.

Edit: The obsidian swimming pool reference came from a story I heard from a billionaire Trust-funder. His mom spent $150,000 draining her pool to fix a pencil size scratch no one noticed but her. That was too much even for the trust fund kid -- he had to talk about it....behind her back.

Its incredly sad how obviously jellous you are of the rich while pretending that you would live like jesus if not for (what reason?) I guess your intense jellousy that some people have fancy pool problems, is forcing you to not live how you say everyone should live.

You've definitly gone from being a socialist, to a communist, to now you're a cultist that thinks that you or someone like you should decide how everyone else lives.

if you were a republican, you'd go to work, and donate your money to the poor instead of arguing about how unfair the poor have it while not lifting a fucking finger to help them, while demanding that the entire world cease living the way they want to to help them instead.

go join a cult, you belong in one.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stupid argument. You seem to ignore that a 25 year old with 500 mil to their name has a lot more going for them than just that amount of money. Almost certainly had powerful family connections or perhaps some kind of born freakish talent at something.

first of all, 500 mil at 25 is not top 1% or top 0.1%. top 1% at 25 is around $360,000 net worth.

i'll just use the richest dude i know as an example, his parents actually died when he was young and had nothing to leave him. my friend found him homeless at 15 and basically pulled his ass out of the gutter. he then made incredibly smart decisions, particularly with certain investments, and he now is that "25 year old with 50000 gazillion dollars"

You are by definition talking about 1% population and trying to paint that as a reasonable goal for everyone. You can't expect everyone to be a high functioning go-getter...its a tiny part of population. Someone has to scrub toilets and that someone needs healthcare and a place to live.

it is a reasonable goal considering you can achieve it with an entry level job and decent financial planning.

bolded why they're poor, that and poor financial decisions. ever notice it's always poors buying the latest $800 iGadget and huge tv's every year? ever notice those are the only people buying $50,000 cars?

You also seem to think punishing people for having kids young rather than supporting that decision as something that keeps the economy going. Birth rates aren't exactly spectacular which is part of the reason for immigration in most of the world (America is a little different).

we actually reward people for having kids, to the point where people have children or adopt children specifically for the cash benefits they receive. in a liberal state like mine, a single mother with 2 kids would be getting over 2k in cash benefits, qualify for free housing (valued at $3,200 a month for the cheapest 3 bed in my area, INCLUDING priority over other renters in one of the most competitive markets in the world) and receive $200 a month per kid in food stamps. these are very conservative estimates except the food stamp one (it's always $200/kid and about $100-200 for the mother) and that totals
just a couple hundred shy of $70,000 a year for having 2 kids as a single mother. if 1 of those kids is disabled you're looking at way more than that.
don't even try to call bullshit, because i know people who do this and i know what they receive.

the government isn't responsible for the fact that having kids young is a financial burden on someone going to college and entering the workforce in their mid 20's.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is Sweden a better country than Somalia?

Hint: culture, not melanin

Sweaden was also a dominate military Empire throughout most of History. Occupied by freakishly big creepy quite* white guys that invaded coastlines before most had boats.

*quite guys always go berzerk when the fighting starts.

So maybe all the constant military conquest and war gave them a bit of a leg up in the world economy over Somalia. Which is a desert filled with starving people oppressed by great powers.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sweaden was also a dominate military Empire throughout most of History. Occupied by freakishly big creepy quite* white guys that invaded coastlines before most had boats.

*quite guys always go berzerk when the fighting starts.

So maybe all the constant military conquest and war gave them a bit of a leg up in the world economy over Somalia.

I thought it was liberal values and their education system. Speaking of constant warfare, why isn't Somalia successful?

I can't believe you're actually arguing that modern swedes aren't superior to female genital mutilating Somalis

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bolded why they're poor, that and poor financial decisions. ever notice it's always poors buying the latest $800 iGadget and huge tv's every year? ever notice those are the only people buying $50,000 cars?

he thinks that the fact that igadgets exist, its corrupting society to make the poor want them.

Basically what juris is preaching is, living like the amish, and some how doing away with want & desire.

I'd wager he thinks authoritarian law is the only way.

His argument has gone from fantasy to insanity in like 4 steps.

[Xaanka]

i doubt jurus has ever interacted with a Somalian irl, let alone one who's fresh off the boat.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i doubt jurus has ever interacted with a Somalian irl, let alone one who's fresh off the boat.

it is a 100% probability that he does no volunteer work nor has he donated to anything but the bernie campaign.

[Xaanka]

Somalis actually used to dominate trade in the indian ocean and were pretty wealthy until the 19th century when the aligned ottoman empire collapsed. hell somalia was most likely the mythical land of Punt, a wealthy trade hub of the ancient world. seems like Jurus doesn't really know much about their history or the context as to why they are the way they are in the 19th century and beyond. somalia's civil war and and subsequent decentralization of power played a much larger role than British (and Italian, you seemed to miss that part) conquest my dude.

I managed an assembly line for a while and most of the workers were fresh off the boat Somalis. I used to have lunch with those dudes every day and shoot the shit. When you ask them about the problems with Somalia, it always goes back to their civil war and in more modern times, China's illegal poaching of their fishing grounds.

oh no that doesn't fit into my agenda of "all the problems with Africa are the white man's fault" what will i ever do???

[Ahldagor]

Azzar, can you clue these folks into that what it takes to be the top is to be born into a specific familial circumstance and have the connections to maintain an information flow that contains financial data used for personal gains? Is that Boolean, black and white, dichotomy based enough?