Enchanter maxing int/cha

[veth]

What if doing a lot of soloing with charm early on? Granted, I most likely mean charming one and letting it beat on another, then breaking and killing both as opposed to keeping a charmed pet for a long time.

Should I bother much with charisma in this case?

Also, as an Erudite where should one spend creation points?

[falkun]

If charming, +CHA > +HP. If not charming, +HP > +Mana > +INT.

[Tecmos Deception]

Charisma is for more than just charming.

It (massively) reduces the chance of getting a critical resist when lulling, and I'm 99% sure it reduces the resist chance on mezzes.

As soon as I pop a level 52+ something-or-other in HS I'll test the mez effect quickly. I guarantee I will get many more root resists on an untashed 52+ mob than I will get mez resists (as a 60 enchanter with 255 charisma). I guess potentially mezzes have a hidden resist mod on them, but no website has ever reported that I don't believe. While leveling 1-60 with a bunch of charisma (200+ depending on my level), this was definitely true; mezzes would almost never get resisted by xp mobs even without tash, though root frequently would.

[porigromus]

I read somewhere you should put your starting points in stamina because of how easy int and cha is to get.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ok, I ran into east and found a level 53:

[Thu Mar 21 09:27:15 2013] A pulsating bile hits YOU for 152 points of damage.


So I mezzed him (level 4 spell) a bunch of times, and then I fettered him a bunch of times:

[Thu Mar 21 09:27:15 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:17 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:20 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:23 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:25 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:28 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:30 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:33 2013] Your target resisted the Mesmerize spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:42 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:44 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:47 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:50 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:52 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:27:55 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:08 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:10 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:18 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:20 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:23 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:25 2013] Your target resisted the Mesmerize spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:28 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:31 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:37 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:40 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:47 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:49 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:57 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:28:59 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:02 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:05 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:07 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:10 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:13 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:16 2013] Your target resisted the Mesmerize spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:24 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:26 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:29 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:31 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:34 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:36 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:39 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:42 2013] Your target resisted the Mesmerize spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:44 2013] You begin casting Mesmerize.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:47 2013] A pulsating bile has been mesmerized.

[Thu Mar 21 09:29:54 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:56 2013] Your target resisted the Fetter spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:29:59 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:00 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:04 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:05 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:08 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:10 2013] Your target resisted the Fetter spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:12 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:14 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:17 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:19 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:21 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:23 2013] Your target resisted the Fetter spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:26 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:28 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:30 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:32 2013] Your target resisted the Fetter spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:35 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:36 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:39 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:41 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:44 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:45 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:50 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:30:52 2013] Your target resisted the Fetter spell.
[Thu Mar 21 09:31:00 2013] You begin casting Fetter.
[Thu Mar 21 09:31:01 2013] A pulsating bile's feet adhere to the ground.


Nevermind the gaps in the times. I wasn't doctoring my logs, I just spam keys a lot and also got an add that I needed to keep mezzed while dealing with the bile.

Sorry it wasn't a bigger sample, but I was getting low on mana and the bile kept breaking fetters instantly even when they did stick on him and he was beating me up!

So yeah. 4/22 mez resists (~18%), 5/14 root resists (~35%). Small sample, but this is what it will look like more or less, I guarantee it.

I'm not feeling ambitious enough right now to log back on and try aggroing that same mob to mez him without charisma gear on to make sure it isn't a built-in resist mod on mez, though!

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by porigromus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read somewhere you should put your starting points in stamina because of how easy int and cha is to get.

You'd PROBABLY be better off putting points into int and charisma and then when those are as high as you want them with gear+buffs, swap in pieces of hp/ac gear. A single 5/55 ring is more valuable to an enchanter's survivability at 60 than 25 points of stamina, and getting int and cha to the levels you want 25 points sooner means you'll be able to swap in more than just 1 piece of ac/hp/sta gear.

If you're going to be decked in VP gear soon, or Velious raid gear someday, then stam would be as good a choice as any. But that's a long ways off for a new enchanter, if he/she ever gets there at all.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by porigromus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read somewhere you should put your starting points in stamina because of how easy int and cha is to get.

Even at 60, enc stam:HP ratio is abysmal, something like 1STA=2.3HP. You are better off putting the points in CHA, INT, or even STR (if you don't have weight-reducing bags) and then gearing for straight +HP gear than you are dropping points into STA. (This might conflict with an older post I made, but I was ignorant of the horrible STA conversion at 60)

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even at 60, enc stam:HP ratio is abysmal, something like 1STA=2.3HP. You are better off putting the points in CHA, INT, or even STR (if you don't have weight-reducing bags) and then gearing for straight +HP gear than you are dropping points into STA. (This might conflict with an older post I made, but I was ignorant of the horrible STA conversion at 60)

It really isn't a terrible option, Deajay. Once Tecmos gets his 4 pieces of insidious and sky neck (so basically best stuff I can find short of VP), he'd be at 212 int and 267 cha self buffed. I'd drop my opalline earrings for black sapphire probably, but I'd still be 2 points over the charisma hardcap and 12 points over the int softcap... and that's without any VP gear and with no velious gear. An erudite or a high elf, who has higher int+cha than my dark elf enchanter, would be even "worse" off if he put all his starting points into int and cha.

But for most people thinking of starting an enchanter, it will be many months before they would be where Tecmos is, and years (?) before crown of rile-ish VP loot or any velious loot.

If I personally were making an enchanter today, I'd probably end up putting starting points into stam+cha in some balance, except for humans cause of their crappy starting int.

[SupaflyIRL]

CHA is only important for charm and lull.

Times you won't be charming:

-At work
-Doing laundry
-at the supermarket
-having sex w/ girlfriend
-attending a local sporting event
-login screen
-walking dog
-EC tunnel
-while on vacation
-washing dishes

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by SupaflyIRL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CHA is only important for charm and lull.

Prove that it doesn't affect mez, then.

My leveling experience + evidence from a few posts back may not be 100% compelling (yet), but it does suggest that charisma affects mez resist rates.