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Old 07-10-2018, 11:19 PM
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Default Religion has a role, even for non believers

Over the past 50 years people have stopped going to church and adhering to religious sects. Many of these people who stopped going to church, still believe in God. They say, "I don't need a church to worship God." Or "Church is full of people that will try to make me celibate"

I'm not making the argument that all churches are equal. Nor am I saying that you can't worship God without a church.

What I am saying is that a lot of things that have been taught in churches for the past thousand years have tremendous value. Typically church go-ers hear the errors of their ways more frequently than if they hadn't gone. A good example of this is the denunciation of viewing pornography. In a nutshell; porn gets you less sex and lackluster sex. Porn has been denounced by church leaders for thousand of years but it hasn't been until recently that psycologists have found a negative link between porn and sexual wellness. All the while liberal society has been telling young boys to vedge out on porn like it's a healthy source of recreation.

On the other hand, where I think a lot of young men get turned off by religion (among other things) is over zealous preaching of sex. I.E Jesus says "don't look on another woman to lust after her," and someone wrongfully takes that to "sex is bad and boners are bad and good looking women are bad and having a lot of sex with your wife is bad or having sex without the thought of having kids is bad" etc etc.

But in today's world, many young men aren't hearing both sides of morality at home, definitely not hearing it at school, and unfortunately not hearing it at church because they don't go. Traditionally churches have taught morals and it's been up to the hearer to follow or not.

I have more thoughts on all this but will continue tomorrow. Would like to see what some of you think about this.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:42 PM
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:44 PM
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I went to a semi-religious primary school in the UK. By that I mean we'd have a morning assembly, sing hymns from a book (we hated it) and generally had one teacher or another talk about life stuff, recount a story laced with positivity and how to look at a situation etc. Look up to your elders, be nice to your peers, treat others as you'd like to be treated.

That will probably sound familiar to some people here...and generally speaking I don't have any problem with it.

What is a problem is religions facing off against each other. War in the name of one god or another, treating those of another religion as "lesser" than your own, the usual human trash element coming through in a religious way.

The most vocal religion since 9/11 has to be Islam, for all the problems it causes. The "religion of peace" hasn't really done anything positive in the west but try to work it's way into the fabric of societies, denounce anyone who argues against it and promotes backward values of gender separation, sharia law and a strong bias towards its own teachings and a closed mind to anything outside of it.

Right now in the UK we have a real fracture in society along religious lines. I'd call it muslims self separating. The growth of muslim schools, one particular recently was found to have $600,000 cash and weapons in.

Religion today (at least in the UK) is a tool of division, not overall cohesion or coming together of the local community. Some shady shit goes on inside those buildings, and I'm not just talking about mosques...we've all seen in the news what priests get up to with kids.

I think you can bring kids up with positive values and leave religion out of it. They'll be more open minded, which isn't bad... or is it?
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I went to a semi-religious primary school in the UK. By that I mean we'd have a morning assembly, sing hymns from a book (we hated it) and generally had one teacher or another talk about life stuff, recount a story laced with positivity and how to look at a situation etc. Look up to your elders, be nice to your peers, treat others as you'd like to be treated.

That will probably sound familiar to some people here...and generally speaking I don't have any problem with it.

What is a problem is religions facing off against each other. War in the name of one god or another, treating those of another religion as "lesser" than your own, the usual human trash element coming through in a religious way.

The most vocal religion since 9/11 has to be Islam, for all the problems it causes. The "religion of peace" hasn't really done anything positive in the west but try to work it's way into the fabric of societies, denounce anyone who argues against it and promotes backward values of gender separation, sharia law and a strong bias towards its own teachings and a closed mind to anything outside of it.

Right now in the UK we have a real fracture in society along religious lines. I'd call it muslims self separating. The growth of muslim schools, one particular recently was found to have $600,000 cash and weapons in.

Religion today (at least in the UK) is a tool of division, not overall cohesion or coming together of the local community. Some shady shit goes on inside those buildings, and I'm not just talking about mosques...we've all seen in the news what priests get up to with kids.

I think you can bring kids up with positive values and leave religion out of it. They'll be more open minded, which isn't bad... or is it?
I also grew up religous though my dad was Agnostic and still is today. Growing up i barely tolerated going to church, and only went in my teens because it was place to meet girls. In my older years ive seen the benefit it had on me. Granted not everyones experience is as good as mine.

I actually agree with most of what you are saying. The problem with Islam might have more to do with the middle easterner mentality, mingled with Islam. For example, Indonesia is a predominately muslim country, yet there arent nearly as many issues of violence and terrorism out of Indonesia as there are in Syria, Iran or Palestine. But i am not making excuses for Islam either, as its roots are plastered in blood and conquest. Today muslims are conquering europe not by the sword, but by a failing EU immigration policy.

I dont think it takes a village to raise a child. I think parents will have the most influence on their children and that is the way it ought to be. But judeo christian religions have taught precepts over the millenia, basic principles of order, sacrifice and temperance. The reason western society lives in the first world is because of Christianity. Not giving credit where credit is due is ignorant.
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Iran has no terrorism

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Old 07-11-2018, 09:37 PM
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religion is the lisp of ideolofy. It existed before most others, gave rise to the rest and is proselytized to little effect on many people who just use something else, something better.
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Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all have merits

Other religions are dog shit. Honorable mention to my people the Baha’is
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:11 PM
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Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all have merits

Other religions are dog shit. Honorable mention to my people the Baha’is
what about Way of the Future? that one is at least benign, rignt?
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