Riot praying for raid ban

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Viscere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you are guild removing yourself from <criot> cause you want to continue being homophobic ?

Close to your heart?

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Viscere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you are guild removing yourself from <criot> cause you want to continue being homophobic ?

You are/were guilded with a literal nazi and that doesn't bother you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[KansasComrade]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to bash staff here, but frankly they're creating more work for themselves by being reactive instead of proactive.

This is at the heart of it all. Had we had clear rules about tracker fte not locking you out of other targets, Riot wouldn't have been pissed off about Lord K. Had we had clear speed limits laid out for ST, FRAG wouldn't have been upset about Riot using scale. Every time Detoxx pulls a screencap of a GM ruling from 3 years ago, I lose faith in the system because everyone should have all the same information laid out clearly.

[kaizersoze]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are/were guilded with a literal nazi and that doesn't bother you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by KansasComrade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is at the heart of it all. Had we had clear rules about tracker fte not locking you out of other targets, Riot wouldn't have been pissed off about Lord K. Had we had clear speed limits laid out for ST, FRAG wouldn't have been upset about Riot using scale. Every time Detoxx pulls a screencap of a GM ruling from 3 years ago, I lose faith in the system because everyone should have all the same information laid out clearly.

Agreed, it's not helpful that the rules are spread out between 3 or 4 different threads and previous rulings set precedent but aren't easily searchable. The point I was trying to make was more that the GMs expect players to police themselves (via said vague rules) and submit petitions, which leaves the GMs having to spend their time playing "he said, she said" and rooting through logs and 5 different video recordings of a single event days or even weeks after the fact. It introduces a larger chance of them getting it wrong and it creates more work for them in the long run. They'd be much better off if they just actively refereed every contested raid target proactively, and the only way they could feasibly do that is if they quaked every week at a time of their choosing so they could make sure they're available for it.

GMs taking an afternoon to put all the raid rules in one spot would be a nice-to-have but as long as raiders are expected to police themselves, you're going to have a toxic raid environment. P99 has been lawyerquest since its inception a decade ago, through multiple raid rulesets. It's pretty clear that's the inevitable outcome of the self-policing system.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are/were guilded with a literal nazi and that doesn't bother you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you talking about fuckin Sinix?

Sinix was never in Freedom. Sinix was in Aftermath. Sinix also is not that guy that people think he is. Can't think of his name at the moment.

Sinix played a good shaman. He didn't cause any problems while he was in Aftermath. Maybe he said some crazy shit in the past, but he doesn't even play this game anymore. Nor was he a problem starter when he did play with us. /shrug

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed, it's not helpful that the rules are spread out between 3 or 4 different threads and previous rulings set precedent but aren't easily searchable. The point I was trying to make was more that the GMs expect players to police themselves (via said vague rules) and submit petitions, which leaves the GMs having to spend their time playing "he said, she said" and rooting through logs and 5 different video recordings of a single event days or even weeks after the fact. It introduces a larger chance of them getting it wrong and it creates more work for them in the long run. They'd be much better off if they just actively refereed every contested raid target proactively, and the only way they could feasibly do that is if they quaked every week at a time of their choosing so they could make sure they're available for it.

GMs taking an afternoon to put all the raid rules in one spot would be a nice-to-have but as long as raiders are expected to police themselves, you're going to have a toxic raid environment. P99 has been lawyerquest since its inception a decade ago, through multiple raid rulesets. It's pretty clear that's the inevitable outcome of the self-policing system.

I completely agree that the rules are hard to follow because of how many different rulings there have been over the years, and the accessibility finding them in the first place.


But maybe the mf's who spend 10 hours making grand powerpoint presentations about an encounter that happened in 10 seconds took that energy and put it in to... idk.... say putting the raid rulings on the wiki........

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree that the rules are hard to follow because of how many different rulings there have been over the years, and the accessibility finding them in the first place.


But maybe the mf's who spend 10 hours making grand powerpoint presentations about an encounter that happened in 10 seconds took that energy and put it in to... idk.... say putting the raid rulings on the wiki........

A raid rules wiki page would probably be a good idea, and every rule needs to be backed up with either a link to a GM post or a screenshot of a GM ruling in game. Pulling out some random rule that isn't on the wiki during or after an encounter wouldn't be valid. A rule with no source wouldn't be valid.

Of course, you'd have to get the three major guilds (and probably the GMs) to agree to what I just said, and good fucking luck with that.

[Naethyn]

I started this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely agree that the rules are hard to follow because of how many different rulings there have been over the years, and the accessibility finding them in the first place.


But maybe the mf's who spend 10 hours making grand powerpoint presentations about an encounter that happened in 10 seconds took that energy and put it in to... idk.... say putting the raid rulings on the wiki........

Sirken already did this.... (and it's still available).
Some things could easily be edited.

All we have to do is get the current GM's to give a shit about enforcement.
Good luck.