Backstab issues

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Level 50 rogue - 148 STR - max skill - 10 damage MH

177
54
56
101
75
65
48
58
54
120
112
98
53
54
82
77
112
77
89
92

Total backstabs : 20
Total damage done: 1654

AVERAGE: 82.7 Damage

Compared to Jan. 2010 on P99

50 rogue - max skill - 201 STR - 10 damage MH

301
301
301
301
301
301
277
301
301
291
301
301
301
301
301
301
258
301
301
278

Total backstabs: 20
Total damage done: 5920

AVERAGE: 296

That is almost a 4x difference in backstab damage alone compared to both servers, 4x the difference in no less than a year.... Even the added +53 strength difference the numbers wouldn't add up because there is something drastically changed in the special skills damage table

[gloinz]

i think str makes a huge difference in damage tbo, that + the new ac code = sadface for us dwarf melees pal

[picodefaggo]

Originally Posted by Abacab PvP Prophet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 50 rogue - 148 STR - max skill - 10 damage MH

177
54
56
101
75
65
48
58
54
120
112
98
53
54
82
77
112
77
89
92

Total backstabs : 20
Total damage done: 654

AVERAGE: 32.7 Damage

hmm umm yea thats great but those numbers dont add to 654 more like 1654

i do think rogue backstab should be very high tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cymbal]

what are you hitting? need more info

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Originally Posted by picodefaggo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hmm umm yea thats great but those numbers dont add to 654 more like 1654

i do think rogue backstab should be very high tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh man forgot the "1"

Gonna edit!

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Originally Posted by Cymbal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what are you hitting? need more info

I hit a player and got the same number schema, and I hit green con mobs and still had the same number schema... Basically I'm hitting around 90 average on PvE and PvP when it comes to backstab. Give or take RNG fluctuations you're still going to be around the 90 average.

[Truth]

My necro was getting backstabbed for ~96 pretty consistently. Seemed a little low.

On a related note, when I tried straight tap tanking the rogue my 6.1s lifetaps were partials for basically the same amount.

[Lasher]

The p99 numbers from jan from hitting a mob or pc?

[Bkab]

i noticed while testing melee dmg/ac with null on my rogue that backstab was incredibly weak. i think my max hit was 96 with 140 str and an sbd and more often than not it was 60-70 or less.

[DarthPeon]

Your second set of numbers are in line with the back stab equations for theoretical raw damage prior to AC being taken into account.

((Offense + (Str up to 200) + (str over 200 / 5)) * WepDmg * Mult) / 100

If you had, for example, 200 strength, and a 13 dmg weapon:

((215 + 200) * 13 * (2 + (203 * 0.02))) / 100 = 326.93700


AC calculations were broken in the past and now it is applying the correct damage reduction. The con of the mob does not negate the fact that it still has a set AC.