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The difference between the Play Nice Policy on this server and Everquest in 2000 &...
The difference between the Play Nice Policy on this server and Everquest in 2000 and 2001.
It's my understanding from substantial reading on newsgroups that in the Play Nice Policy of 2000 and 2001 GMs did not support camping at all, and in all cases of mediation players were always encouraged to share spawns, whether alone or in a group. It's my understanding on this server that players are immediately threatened with suspensions if they are found to be encroaching on popular and conventional ideas of camps. Does anyone know where this server went wrong (supposing it was trying to emulate classic Everquest) and why? I have tried to seek answers from the staff, but can come by nothing from them. | ||
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people's brains work differently than in 1999, and on paid accounts. therefore interventionism is requisite to maintain the "classic" feel. I understand being unahppy with the regime but you are an "everquest libertarian", aka retard
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Last edited by America; 11-07-2018 at 04:17 PM..
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Here is a post from newsgroups on 2/26/01 that explains it: > > Camping: Would someone please write a new players guide or have the GMs > and their assistants sit down and get their stories straight? I have > had a GM > "say You can't camp a zone." Another one says, " you can't camp a rare > spawn" > Still another says " Camping is still enforced, but we refer to it as > the play nice rule. Take turns (kids) and play nice" If this is such a > big problem, why not set a flag so that the person getting the first hit > has responsibility for the critter. Have others ge the message "That > creaature is under attack" Ok, I know nothing about programming so > maybe this would be a bite, and there would have to be a way of > releasing it once you realize you can't handle it. Hey, there ya go, > this wouild force more people to group up unless they really wanted to > solo. The only rules for camping are in the play nice policy availble at www.everquest.com Yes, gms do kinda enforce them differently. The actual rule is the first player to cast a spell that engages the critter or melee engages the critter gets it and anyone else is ksing. Camping is not actually supported in the pnp, but if called a gm will intervene and say "share." Another that addresses the idea of ownership in perpetuity from 10/23/2000: " No one wants to address the fundamental point. Why does being there : first grant you ownership in perpetuity? It WAS already addressed. NOTHING grants someone ownership in perpetuity. However, the commonly held GENTLEMANLY code of conduct says you don't bust up someone else's camp. If some spot is in use, go find another spot that isn't. You are imposing on THEM, not the otherway around." Quote:
2) A fair point, but that was the Everquest we all played and liked. If there were disputes then, it means that some players did not agree with the notions of whatever group liked to codify camps. And thus those players would not have a home on a server that bans them, and thus this server will not be the Everquest of 2000 and 2001. 3 & 4) Players are immediately threatened with suspensions for sharing mobs with groups who claim ownership in perpetuity by reason of being there first. As to the last comment, that is insulting and uncalled for. What is "meta"? And why are we changing things? I thought the intent of this server was to emulate Everquest in 1999-2001. Quote:
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Last edited by ELance; 11-07-2018 at 05:22 PM..
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First let me ask you which mob you KS'd / were KS'd on since this sounds personal lol. I will repeat again, I have been part of several camp issues, and know several other people who have been as well, and literally none of them are threatened with suspension immediately. You have to either talk back to the GM or repeatedly challenge camps (badly) for this to happen. So which did you fall in? It's vaguely insulting because I assume you are trolling. Your account is 2 years old, and theres been LENGTHY discussions on camps in p99 and versus old school EQ. "meta" is a very common term in regards to games. It refers to the state of the game and what players perceive as the best approach. From Wikipedia, it "is any approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game". The camp discussion is always good, but don't put out fake news like "OMG GM's INSTA BAN PERSON FOR MINOR CAMP DISPUTE". | |||
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This is not fake news. Camps are defined and enforced by GMs on this server. A suspension will be the penalty for a player that does not comply with a GMs request for a player to desist with sharing the mobs of a group who by reason of being at the camp first claims ownership in perpetuity of it. This is not "personal", far from it. I expected classic Everquest on this server, and have found that not only is the policy different, but is actually the polar opposite of the Play Nice Policy in 2000 and 2001. As to why I seldom come to these forums or have not followed discussions of camping... I was playing the game, and I have not found other points of the game unsatisfactory. That is really an ancient fallacy that you are repeating there about "the forums are the players". What's more, if it is an issue that sees frequent discussion on these forums, then it bears repeating again and again, for it *differs markedly from Everquest in 2000 and 2001* and is in fact the polar opposite of it, discouraging sharing and encouraging exclusion. | |||
Last edited by ELance; 11-07-2018 at 05:36 PM..
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There ya go, there's the full story. I, and the other staff members have no problem suspending you for wasting our time and trying lawyer quest us. If you feel we were too heavy handed, you can talk to whoever is above us. | |||
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*peels out and speeds toward the horizon* | |||
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Given those points, I really don't see your argument that P99's policies are needlessly unclassic; on the contrary they seem, to me at least, to be "as classic as possible" for a volunteer-run server.
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Last edited by loramin; 11-07-2018 at 06:39 PM..
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