MMOs: Past, Present, and Future

[That Deadeye Guy]

Hey folks,

Well the description for Server Chat is "General discussion related to Project 1999 and classic Everquest", so I figured it'd try to spur some discussion regarding a video I just made about MMOs and the genre itself. I mention Project 1999 / EverQuest pretty extensively and would love feedback and discussion regarding where the soul of particular style of game is heading.

https://youtu.be/5B_SvqtcUfQ

[That Deadeye Guy]

Hey, even Brad McQuaid stopped by to leave a comment!

[Evia]

I enjoyed the video! Thanks for sharing!

[One Tin Soldier]

My belief is that both Camelot unchained and Crowfall have already failed by being PvP focused MMOs. Not that I personally have anything against PvP but it just never works well for MMOs.

As for Pantheon, it's basically project 99 with a subscription fee. Look at the population here. Now imagine what it would be if they started charging a subscription fee. Yeah, that's the kind of population Pantheon can look forward to. Maybe not right away but after the honeymoon period is over.

[wittles]

Originally Posted by One Tin Soldier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My belief is that both Camelot unchained and Crowfall have already failed by being PvP focused MMOs. Not that I personally have anything against PvP but it just never works well for MMOs.

As for Pantheon, it's basically project 99 with a subscription fee. Look at the population here. Now imagine what it would be if they started charging a subscription fee. Yeah, that's the kind of population Pantheon can look forward to. Maybe not right away but after the honeymoon period is over.

I think pvp mmo's can work if they are implemented like EVE does theirs. Otherwise, I agree that it will just die.

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by wittles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think pvp mmo's can work if they are implemented like EVE does theirs. Otherwise, I agree that it will just die.

Played Warhammer Online. Can confirm, any PVP mmo that rewards gear advantage for winning = Doomed as fuck. You eventually find yourself in completely unwinnable (or unloosable) pvp matches time and time again. The winners will ride said win-train as long as they can until server merges, meanwhile the loosers will re-roll or server xfer to avoid loosing 24/7 (one can hardly blame them)

From personal experience I had a Renown rank 80(max at the time) Choppa with full sovereign gear and a mythic 2handed sword from Tomb of the Vulture lord - Could literally solo 4 to 5 people by myself if they where not adequately geared (which happened a lot cause Destruction was always winning on my first server. The difference between low rank renown gear and high rank renown gear as insanity) Que into scenarios with literally like 1 or 2 friends and any healer that wasn't asleep and we could camp Order right outside their spawn

[Lojik]

Will the sequel be Fall of the Risen?

[Ennewi]

Feel of the Raisin?

[kotton05]

Which MMO hasn’t flopped recently?

Until some developer gets away from micro transactions and pay to win with a focus on challenging content that doesn’t revolve around just grinding for ages I won’t be satisfied.

Brad release me from this hell!

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which MMO hasn’t flopped recently?

Until some developer gets away from micro transactions and pay to win with a focus on challenging content that doesn’t revolve around just grinding for ages I won’t be satisfied.

Brad release me from this hell!

Not even sure they are trying for sustainability anymore. Seems like they are all short term cash grabs and if it makes money for a few more years, great.