Bard vs Enchanter, which is the better dungeon crawler?

[busted]

Bards can do much more than people think. See the videos in this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=408521&page=2

That said, chanters are much more efficient/OP at crawling due to long-duration lulls & charms.

If bards could charm lvl 55 mobs https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ght=bard+charm things would be a little bit closer but still with enc on top

[Swish]

Enchanter unless you're sugz4 who can kite a HS wing on his bard with no issues.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanter unless you're sugz4 who can kite a HS wing on his bard with no issues.

Except, compared to what Sugz can do on an enchanter…

[Bockscar]

Enchanter, and it's not even close. While bards are nice to have, they don't approach the level of power that enchanters inhabit. Personally, I think bards are a little overrated if it isn't an outdoor zone, which most dungeons aren't. My ideal dungeon group setup does not include a bard. It most certainly includes an enchanter.

[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How I'd rank em assuming 60 and good gear including all spells, epics and important clicky items.

Enchanter
Necro
Shaman
---- GAP ----
Paladin
Shadow Knight
Monk
Druid
Bard
--- GAP ----
Wizard
Cleric
Ranger
Magician

You forgot rogue!

And you're insane for putting magician and wizard in the same bracket. Wizard is the very worst class in the game for dungeon crawling. Mages are decent, sometimes even great.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot rogue!

And you're insane for putting magician and wizard in the same bracket. Wizard is the very worst class in the game for dungeon crawling. Mages are decent, sometimes even great.

Wizard with Epic and VP robe and mannarobe beats mage in solo dungeon crawling.

I forgot war too. An uber geared war is likely in the mid tier group. Never seen an uber geared rogue try, I’d guess in the bottom group.

[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard with Epic and VP robe and mannarobe beats mage in solo dungeon crawling.

There's a single-digit number of those on the server, and they don't generally join random groups for the sake of grinding. Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I meant, and you know that I'm right, but you just had to come up with some bullshit contrarian argument that doesn't really apply to the way people actually play the game.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a single-digit number of those on the server, and they don't generally join random groups for the sake of grinding. Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I meant, and you know that I'm right, but you just had to come up with some bullshit contrarian argument that doesn't really apply to the way people actually play the game.

Look senor, I specifically stated that the list only looked at level 60’s with good gear and all the relevant clickies. Not to mention, getting an epic on a Wiz today is relatively easy and if you’re VP key the robe is usually cheap or even free. Manna robe isn’t strictly necessary but also not too expensive and can even be bought.

You were wrong, tranquilo, por favor.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a single-digit number of those on the server, and they don't generally join random groups for the sake of grinding. Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I meant, and you know that I'm right, but you just had to come up with some bullshit contrarian argument that doesn't really apply to the way people actually play the game.

As to whether this is how people people play the game, the OP mentioned that recent bard videos inspired his question. Several of the recent bard videos were bards with this tier of gear doing trophy solos. I've been having fun doing this on my bard too, my most recent success was an Atpaev solo (the easiest unfearable ww dragon).

[Moppelchen]

Bards aren't bad crawlers, but not fantastic either. Enchanters are definitely better.

On my bard I can, for example, get to some nameds in Sebilis and solo them (without relying on charm), such as Froglok Armorer and Necrosis Scarab. If you can get a named solo you can pretty much kill it (as long as it's 55 or below, MR not too high and mezzable). Just bard slow, melee it some, mez, regen up, rinse and repeat until the mob is dead. Only issue is that if you're gear is meh, then it will take you forever to kill a mob, which takes the fun out of it.