Rangers

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rangers has the worse melee DPS class among the 3. Not only that, they give the most XP penalty to the grp.

Lowest DPS + worse XP penalty is a bad combination...

If a grp has a tank, 2 healers and a chanter/bard, its way better to pick 2 rogue/monk to fill up the DPS slots than to have 2 rangers...

Yeah I get that rangers can CC, but if the grp has a CCer (bard/chanter) and 2 healers (Cleric + shaman/druid), then there's no reason to even pick a ranger to fill up the remaining slots.

A Paladin and a SK all have the same or worse penality. 40% or more. Only a Warrior, all 10 of them, have little or none. And a Ranger will outdamage a Paladin anyday against live mobs.

I think we all need to really get off of this Rangers just suck thing on here. With all the nerfs since this game has started no class other than maybe a Monk or Necro is that great anymore. And nobody wants a Necro in a group and 1/2 of Monks suck at pulling.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by danceparty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a quick healing tip for the soloing ranger; mem the healing spell that is one tier lower than what you have access to. e.g. if you are lvl 39 then mem the 22 heal. if you are lvl 22 then mem the lvl 9 heal.

now during your healing downtime between mobs time your heals between med ticks. that is, sit and wait for meditate to tick, then cast the heal, then sit and wait for the med tick again.

the result will be nearly full mana regen of the heal you just casted, and mana will stay full. this means shorter down time between pulls. you also benefit from a natural regen tick cause you are sitting when it ticks. this is basically the shaman canni-dance applied to heals.


a quick tip for mob selection while soloing; solo in out doors where all of your skills are max useful. track sort on "consider" and find the blue mobs that are just above the light blues. these mobs will provide good exp and you'll mow them down.

these two strats together is win.


................................and remember:

This strat also works for the paladin using his deepwater helm or bp to heal. Since the cast time is so long it won't be as dramatic a "med" but you do end up multi tasking. You're healing out of battle, so you may as well get that extra bubble of mana while you're at it.

Now... in true classic, when you could sit during a long cast and not interrupt the spell: well, you could med up full while hat healing =)

Let's alter the client's behavior to make this classic mechanic come back to life! (Of course it was patched out in Kunark, so it should probably already be gone on our timeline.)

[Heavydrop]

Originally Posted by Egil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by Thedonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.. Let those people min/max and say whatever they like.

Play your ranger and enjoy it knowing it will be fun as ...

Probably good advice. Rangers were always welcome DPS (with added bonus sow/snare/track) in my groups/raids. One of the top rangers on our server beat me (one of the top paladins) in a duel in the plane of fear. Admittedly I wasted time casting some spells when I should have just tank n spank. But his planar weapons and wolf form dished out serious dps. He also out-dueled one of the top monks on the server about a week earlier.

Of course they also draw a lot of aggro, but nothing a good tank can't work with.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk. And with that they will bring root parking, reliable agro, and decent tanking. I carry both a STR set and an ac/hp set for when I need to take hits, which is almost always because nobody plays a tank... but that's an issue for another thread.

It's easier to utilize your class to the best of its ability if you play a rogue or monk. They are both better dps later on. But it's profoundly fucking ignorant to say that makes rangers useless, or even undesirable, particularly when leveling.

But like he said, there's a ton of threads about this if you use the search function. I think the conclusion is that rangers have their flaws, but if properly played, can be an incredible contribution to a group. Just remember you have spells, and use them. There's too many rangers that never throw a downtime heal, or a root/snare. Such a waste.

Plus I find monks and rogues really boring.

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

Better?

Gorenaire in 69s, 20k @287dps --- Internode 3k @50dps (17.26%) --- Xanthias 3k @45dps (15.57%) --- Sckrilla 3k @42dps (14.11%) --- Flippie 2k @38dps (11.79%) --- Khezak 2k @27dps (8.86%) --- Snackies 1k @15dps (4.57%) --- Sworen 1k @14dps (4.52%) --- Auelin 1k @18dps (4%) --- Jagganath 1k @10dps (3.36%) --- Zugsmash 1k @10dps (2.83%)

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

Hey I'm not bitching, but I agree the whole blanket statement thing does get a tad annoying.

Last thought on this topic, group with rangers who have a clue about the class and you'll come away amazed.

[greatdane]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.