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Splitting the Enchanter into 2 classes
What would it look like if this very overpowered class was instead separated into 2 classes - the "Enchanter" and the "Psionicist"? A thought experiment, mapping out the abilities each class gets. Let's see if they would each still be viable.
ENCHANTER -Physical based debuffs, and enchantment removals -Physical based buffs, also including INT/WIS/CHA and Magic Resist -Animation pets -Roots -Blind and Fear -Rune line (damage absorption) -Damage shield (I wonder how many people forget the EQ Enchanter has a quite good one) -DoT spell line -Illusions, faction modifiers, and trade skill enchantments Enchanters are about shaping the world around them. They are wanted in groups and raids for their Slow and Haste type abilities; mitigating the damage of opponents and increasing the damage of melee allies. They can add further DPS to a group with their pet, by taking initial aggro or using Root/Blind proximity mechanics. Don't forget the damage shield too. Enchanters have some standard crowd control ability and can solo with an Animation pet that gets buffed up. Without the "pet steals 50% of your exp for not outdamaging it" rule, it's actually fairly easy and effective to solo with this spell list up to level 52. Would this be a particularly exciting class? No. Are Haste and Slow super powerful mechanics in EQ? Yes. PSIONICIST -Charms -Stuns -Mesmerizes -Memory Wipes -Lulls -Magic based debuffs (tash, mana drain) -Magic based buffs (mana regen, mana pool increase) -Direct damage spell line -"Vision" based spells (Bind Sight, Sentinel) Psioncists are about controlling the mind. They have access to the most powerful mechanic in EQ, give or take Complete Heal: Charming. Their spell list supports the ability to manage charmed pets and provides crowd control ability. The mana regeneration capability they provide to others makes them desired in both groups and raids, and their unresistible magic resist debuff can also be crucial for some content. Would this be a particularly exciting class? Anywhere they can utilize Charm, yes. Is their overall power level enough to be competitive with what the majority of other classes can contribute? Yes.
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Last edited by Zuranthium; 07-31-2019 at 09:00 PM..
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I love the idea, but I think EQ needs more classes that can fulfill a role, not less. Like, in later expansions Druids became first-class healers in groups and on raids, and I think that was a real improvement to the game. Suddenly instead of groups/raids needing clerics, a bunch of players they didn't need before could help. More players getting to play + more groups/raids not falling apart for lack of healers = better game in my book.
Similarly here, we already only have Bards and Enchanters for CC, so I'd hate to see half as many CCers available. I'd want both Enchanters and Psionicists to "do crowd control" in some way. It'd be ok (and probably more interesting though) if they didn't both have mez, but instead Enchanters had a more unique mechanism.
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In this scenario the enchanter class is completely gimp and no one would play it. Currently enchanters strength are the following: charm, mana regen/haste, CC, and slow. It would have been smart for the game devs to separate the class.
One class would have buffs (mana regen, haste), charm, and a short term single target stun/mez to regain control of charm pets (not enough cc to suffice for a standard group scenario) One class would have long term/ae mez, calm and debuffs (slow, tash) | ||
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This quote approximates my initial response to the proposed Enchanter. But the idea is creative and well-presented. So thank you for that. ETA: I don't regard my class, Enchanter, as OP. It just seems to have a unique risk/reward proposition, with huge upside potential if played well and if luck (i.e. the Charm break situation) goes your way. We die a lot. And we have the fairly unique stress in common groups due to our deadly Charm pets. | |||
Last edited by GnomeCaptain; 07-31-2019 at 09:26 PM..
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As for your thoughts on Druids/Clerics though, I agree and would definitely change the way they work, if I had the keys to the kingdom. Quote:
The power of Slow and Haste for general group content is often quite game-changing. Using only those abilities, an Enchanter in a typical 6-person group is already creating more DPS than any single melee character, while simultaneously preventing more damage than any ability outside Complete Heal. That's just 2 abilities out of their skillset, already doing "better numbers" than what a lot of other classes can. Would this new version of Enchanter be a highly played class? No, it's too subtle. But it would be strong; already better than a Mage or Wizard the majority of the time, if looking at Kunark or Velious era and doing the number crunching.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, but what might be harder than actually doing it is just convincing people to do it without an "official CCer class" (heck, I got pushback just for having a Bard instead of an Enchanter once). Groups need (or at least think they need) two core roles, and then depending on the camp possibly up to three others (and then as much DPS as they can get for the rest). They need a healer and a tank, and then possibly also a puller, slower, and/or CCer. Whenever you want to do a camp that needs a role, and you don't have it, no one gets to play. So all I'm saying is, if you take away the ability for half the Enchanters out there to fulfill a role, people aren't going to get to play a lot of those camps . But again, I'd totally be in favor with Enchanters getting a way to fulfill that role without mez. Give them a 95% slow that turns into a 50% haste the moment anyone attacks the mob, for instance (but can easily be dispelled by the Enchanter if they do so on purpose while it's still a slow). You thought mez breaks were bad? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Last edited by loramin; 08-02-2019 at 02:34 PM..
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Ive always been more one to propose combining magician and wizard to create a class balanced with necro and enchanter ;p
and honestly, even if wizard and mage were combined and could dual wield those epics together, it probably might not even be as awesome as an enchanter. | ||
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nothing lasts forever. change is inevitable. im sure it could happen one day if EQ is still around.
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