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Old 06-07-2022, 07:39 PM
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What mob are you using for logging parses? The super noob turtle in velious? Where is it found?
it’s not a single mob, it’s from 2 days of tar goos hunting in WL without changing weapon and basically not cast between fight
if using a single mob, the longest fight is focuser in PoG, but i usually buff during fight and got more dex than usual, i have only 2 logs that i didn’t change weapon and both are less than 800s
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Old 06-08-2022, 12:03 PM
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I havenít parsed these weapons, but I did some quick back of the napkin math and at level 60 swarmcaller is going to be very close DPS wise to dual epics (assuming you have decent haste).

There may be a factor of high AC mobs and slow vs fast weapons but Iíve parsed T staff vs monk epic+SoS and t-staff outperforms consistently either against raid mobs or kunark blue/green mobs. Swarmcaller is slower so ymmv (but epic fist is faster so idk)

Long story long Earthcaller is min/max fashionquest while Swarmcaller is pretty comparable utility (similar slow and dps) for a fraction of the price.
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Old 06-08-2022, 01:24 PM
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Slow in most situations isn't really needed less you do kot of sub optimal low man farming, sboz and swift wind is way to go and cheaper. It'll out parse either those.
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Old 06-08-2022, 09:26 PM
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T staff is also a 0.97 ratio (with a 120dd) compared to a 0.70 swarmcaller, not even worth comparing those two dps wise because it’s not close. Once you take the main hand bonus damage into account, dual wielding epics with the higher haste and attack should do significantly more dps than a swarmcaller.
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Old 06-08-2022, 09:34 PM
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with log parsing the log its easy to find out proc per min, if dex is the same
according to "Weapon proc" from wiki, assuming its true, i made the following graph:
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when max 255dex, there should be 2ppm
at 85dex, there is 1ppm
and the graph looks linear, it can assume that there is some kind of "bouns" you got 0.5ppm at 0dex
i'll try to compare my data base on this graph between weapon form different classes(different dex)
direct compare if weapon can use by same class(try to wear same dex)

with my small data pool atm, it seems:
1) all weapon have a higher ppm than the graph
2) some different ppm between weapons

I'll post a report when i get some more log~




about the funny dps comparison, theoretically from jklein.me/eqcalc
wondering if someone can upload some log of epic~
Swarmcaller:
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Dual Epic:
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Old 06-08-2022, 11:40 PM
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with log parsing the log its easy to find out proc per min, if dex is the same
according to "Weapon proc" from wiki, assuming its true, i made the following graph:
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when max 255dex, there should be 2ppm
at 85dex, there is 1ppm
and the graph looks linear, it can assume that there is some kind of "bouns" you got 0.5ppm at 0dex

*(ahh, i feel like a student now~its a linear equation)
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i'll try to compare my data base on this graph between weapon form different classes(different dex)
direct compare if weapon can use by same class(try to wear same dex)

with my small data pool atm, it seems:
1) all weapon have a higher ppm than the graph
2) some different ppm between weapons

I'll post a report when i get some more log~




about the funny dps comparison, theoretically from jklein.me/eqcalc
wondering if someone can upload some log of epic~
Swarmcaller:
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Dual Epic:
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Old 06-09-2022, 05:13 AM
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You don't use swarmcaller for DPS. You use it to proc slow (if needed), then you swap to SBoZ / Swiftwind.
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Old 06-09-2022, 07:02 AM
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heres the log parse of 3 weapon with proc i got, their proc rate are quite close
when i killing different mob with different char/gear, there is some 'feeling' of some weapon proc more, after log parse, there is only a few % of difference which is way smaller than the difference of feeling
although i can't prove "all' weapons have the same proc rate, but here we have weapons from Kunark and Velious era, loot from soloable mob and raid mob, i started to believe there is not big difference between weapon procs rate as i heard before

back to the topic, can anyone with earthcaller pls send me your log?
knowing more about the game is very fun to me hehe

*data collected from raid, maybe interrupted by doing buff or chasing flee, real proc rate should be a little bit higher
**collected from killing tar goos in WL, no cast during fight
***collected from killing coldain, no cast during fight, just not long enough , its better to kill more
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Old 06-09-2022, 11:12 AM
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I'll try to get you some parses, my ranger has an earthcaller but he is naggy/vox locked
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Old 06-10-2022, 02:46 PM
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What doesn't make sense to me is if a 29/41 (bad ratio) 2 hander can out dps double epics at 60, why aren't literally all rangers using 2 handers at 60? A simple 4-5k 32/36 or even a Woodsman Staff should be able to destroy most dual wield options using that formula above if that's the case.
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