The Homeless Solution

[Patriam1066]

The state should be led by our best, and you all, my obese friends, are not it

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Private is cheaper for sure but I don't know if it's always better in all areas.

like that's the whole idea behind private prisons but yiiiiikes.

whoah whoah whoah.

The problem with private prisons is that the GOVERMENT agencies and JUDICIAL system is getting payed off to fill them!

Private prisons, use lobbyists (goverment) to enact policy (goverment) to ensure their prisons are full so they can meat (goverment) quota's for (goverment) payments.

The only thing preventing them from full blown success, is the free market media revealing this.

[Jibartik]

I am like a dark elf ben shapiro

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh my god you seriously are going to read the links I give you then try to tell me that Im wrong?

Whats wrong with you is that you dont understand how politics and goverment works, you think that one side is the bad guy.

Look obviously both sides are the bad guy in just about any political discussion, and that's no less true here. But again, just a basic understanding of history shows that it was Republican forces that were largely responsible for why we have millions of crazy homeless people in the streets instead of in institutions.

Another quote from your link:

1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. This pushes the responsibility of mentally ill patients back to the states. The legislation creates block grants for the states, but federal spending on mental illness declines.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Homelessness has exploded here.

Does 5th circuit have any shelter requirement rulings in order to sweep? I wonder if the other regions are playing ball just to avoid the same situation being judicially codified.

They aren't allowed to out west(9th) unless there's shelter space for all of them.

Seems like a bad idea to require every municipality to build up that much capacity for a transient population.

[unsunghero]

I’ve already gone over this with you guys, you must not remember. What happened in the past doesn’t matter, what matters now is mostly the cost, and the idea of human rights

Has anyone here had to deal with a family member with dementia? If you want to place them in a memory care unit or a nursing home, and they don’t want to go, do you know the conservatorship process? In case you never had to deal with it, here’s how it goes:

1. Get 2 different doctors to sign off saying this person is no longer mentally competent to make medical decisions for themself

2. Hire a lawyer to prepare the paperwork for conservatorship. YOU CANNOT DO THIS YOURSELF. And you are looking at at LEAST $2,000 in legal fees

3. There will be a court date and a a process where a court will eventually grant a person or public fiduciary conservatorship

Ok? Not easy. Now repeat that process for tens of thousands of homeless people. You need to legally remove their American right to self-determination to force them into a mental health institution and that’s expensive and a hassle

When I say expensive, it’s nothing compared to the costs to house them. What’s rent looking like these days? How about rent in a Hospital building? Ever seen how expensive it is to stay overnight in a medical hospital? Now multiply that by 365 for every day of the year

That’s just rent. What about paying the nurses (because you will still need medical staff) and licensed clinical social workers to work there’s salary? Maintenance on the bullring? Liability insurance?

Who’s going to pay for that? You think private insurance companies are going to want to foot the bill for a treatment that has no end date? A treatment that promises no recovery? Fuuuuuck no

So does money printer go brrr? Or do we just go to the Democrat honeypot, the make believe solution to all the world’s problems of just stealing money from rich people?

The costs and the issue of legally removing people’s rights are the barriers nowadays in our modern society

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look obviously both sides are the bad guy in just about any political discussion, and that's no less true here. But again, just a basic understanding of history shows that it was Republican forces that were largely responsible for why we have millions of crazy homeless people in the streets instead of in institutions.

Another quote from your link:

Totally disagree, the republicans couldn't even have a say in it had the democrat's short sighted hate of private industry hadn't allowed them. So if you want to say "largely" then lets point the reason we're even discussing it.

Decade after decade. This is the legacy of democrat politics. A complete lack of understanding of value that this country has in its incredible economic system. Or the effects of putting power in the hands of politics.

For thousands of years of bureaucracy man sat idle building castles out of stone, then capitalism comes around and now we're buying doggie coins and sending men to space.

Politics doesn't solve everything, because the only thing it can do is cut the baby in half.

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[unsunghero]

If any of you are feeling suicidal and want to go into an inpatient behavioral health hospital, and you want to pay out of pocket, your expected cost will run about $2,000-$5,000 per day you stay. The average stay is about 1 week, so that’s going to run you about $21,000 for the week (I went with $3k/day)

Google estimates there are about 550,000 homeless in the USA. Let’s assume 50% are mentally ill to the point of incapable of caring for themselves

Legal fees to remove their human rights = $2,000 per person so 2,000 * 275,000 = 550million, that’s just to remove their rights

Now the meat and potatoes, the cost to treat them. There are 52 weeks in a year * 21,000$ per week inpatient mental health treatment = $1,092,000

1,092,000 (cost to treat a person for a full year inpatient for mental health) * 275,000(number of homeless needing this) = $303,300,000,000 + 550,000,000 (cost to take away their rights) = $303,850,000,000

$303 billion 850 million

This is why the government has decided it’s more cost effective to let them die on the street and occasionally kill others

[robayon]

Capitalism is indeed a death cult

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

$303 billion 850 million

CYOA:

That's half of what we spend on the military!

 

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That's 19 times what we spend on American farmers!

 

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