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Old 03-15-2019, 02:14 AM
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I disagree with a lot of what you said but specifically that monks and rangers are better pullers than a bard. In a group I will be lining up pulls non stop, charming, mez/snare splitting and basically keeping the exp flowing far better than and monk or ranger could.
In fairness, most bards don't pull as well as you do either. So as a class they might technically be better pullers, as players it doesn't always work out that way.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:51 AM
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For those of you advocating putting weapons away, just reroll into an enchanter and get out of the bard class because at least then you wont be corrupting the next generation of bards with terrible terrible terrible advice and trains of thought.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:21 AM
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:49 AM
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Lol at you think weapons(pre-epic) > instruments still. I’d love to see you duo with any class so that your deficiencies aren’t covered up by the rest of the group. Try once with weapons then try again with instruments then get back to me.
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Old 03-17-2019, 02:02 PM
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For those of you advocating putting weapons away, just reroll into an enchanter and get out of the bard class because at least then you wont be corrupting the next generation of bards with terrible terrible terrible advice and trains of thought.
/facepalm

Have you ever parsed bard melee dps?
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Old 03-17-2019, 03:37 PM
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With a standard 3 song twist (cantata/nivs/mcvaxius)

Pre-epic Weapons (12-15 melee dps)
19 hp per tick to all
12 mana per tick to all
31 str
22 attack
8 dmg shield

+ a 4th song of your choice


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With instruments:

46hp a tick to all
12 mana a tick to all
68 str
44 attack
17 dmg shield

Plus whatever 4th song you want to include 10% stacking haste (requires instrument), occlusion debuff on standby (requires instrument), mezzes that last an extra tick (bonus with wind use).

Many options for the 4th slot either require instrument (stacking haste + attack 60) or likewise get big buffs.

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I don稚 think any sane group would opt for the bard to swing his or her weapons for that leet 12-15 melee dps. The alternative more than doubles the real power a bard brings to the group. 27 extra regen? That痴 nearly 2 extra fungis to everyone which keeps things rolling smoothly. If the group did need the bard to dps ... well with instruments you can stack 50 dps easily with chants; up to 74 if you toss in the pbaoe dots.

Bards are mobile armored casters with lots of utility and buffing potential. Bards are not melee dps. Once epic is in the equation everything changes, but even then it痴 not the bards melee dps that matters; it痴 the proc on epic paired with a 180% mod to all songs sung seamlessly (vs 210-260% mod with a real instrument). Even then, the talented epic bard I grouped with over the weekend in DN was barely breaking 20dps most fights.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:07 PM
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A bard not equipping instruments is worse than a knight not equipping their shield while tanking. It's only done well if any of the classes have their epic or something very epic-like to compensate for the loss.

Looking through old screenshots, all of the bards in groups 35+ are swapping between different instruments and occasionally adding in a nivs sword click. My bard alt only has crap ratio claw weapons bagged for fashionquest and one equally bad dmg/dly weapon with tash proc. Spare platinum has gone a lot farther when spent on upgrading instruments so group benefits accumulate faster, and then armor/hp gear for survivability. With a few exceptions, weapons on a bard are just hood ornaments/vanity plates; instruments enhance what's under the hood.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
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Shield of song is also affected lute... with regen + shield of song + rondo + slow you will anger the cleric in your group
Bc they will have to nuke instead of heal on regular group content
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:44 PM
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Bards please stop charming unless you have an invis ring. It's annoying as fuck to wait 20 Seconds to attack and it's just not worth it. It also means your group can't debuff it while its waiting. Just mez for the love of god.
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:22 PM
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Bards please stop charming unless you have an invis ring. It's annoying as fuck to wait 20 Seconds to attack and it's just not worth it. It also means your group can't debuff it while its waiting. Just mez for the love of god.
At 30+ are you really killing pulls faster than 20 seconds anyway? And the higher you get, the better charm becomes for extra DPS.
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