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[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also you constantly project US politics onto non US posters. Like we don't care about Demos vs Repos. Neither are our team.

Being left or right is about values. If I take US as the center line of politics for the world, UK people are further left on the average. You can break this down issue by issue if you wish too. Yes, I can judge you. Globally UK is more lefty. I find that you fall in line with that based on my observation. I haven't seen you ever support a right wing position for the UK. At best, you remain skeptical to listen to things but I've never actually seen you waver your support from establishment left.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being left or right is about values. If I take US as the center line of politics for the world, UK people are further left on the average. You can break this down issue by issue if you wish too. Yes, I can judge you. Globally UK is more lefty. I find that you fall in line with that based on my observation. I haven't seen you ever support a right wing position for the UK. At best, you remain skeptical to listen to things but I've never actually seen you waver your support from establishment left.

Just say Overton window

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That seems rather alarmingly abusable...

(Right wing enough for you Teppy? Or is it left... I'm not sure)

Getting better.... Maybe you can begin to understand I merely take these positions honestly for the health of my country. What kind of American wants the availability for foreign exploitation like this?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting better.... Maybe you can begin to understand I merely take these positions honestly for the health of my country. What kind of American wants the availability for foreign exploitation like this?

I already understand your intentions, you're clear on that. We're closer aligned than you think.

[Jimjam]

Establishment left?

The Conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be Conservative New Labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Establishment left?

The conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be conservative new labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

When he says "establishment left" he means something entirely different.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Establishment left?

The conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be conservative new labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

Jim one thing you have to understand is your right wing is moderate-left leaning to the rest of the world. You have to understand the UK is more a liberal nation.

The US has edged left wing over the last 30 years as well when you consider spending, social issues, immigration. We haven’t swung to the right on these in over 30 years

Our line was more middle ground in the 90s. We’ve shifted left on those issues since then. And the UKs right wing is to the left of that.

That’s the game they play in the UK. Choose between our extreme left candidate or just one that is slightly left wing. Nice choices your banker elites give you peasants.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When he says "establishment left" he means something entirely different.

I think he confuses my disdain with the modern incarnation of the Conservative party with conservative morality.

I'm all about the small business owners, competition, local economy.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jim one thing you have to understand is your right wing is moderate-left leaning to the rest of the world. You have to understand the UK is more a liberal nation.

The US has edged left wing over the last 30 years as well when you consider spending, social issues, immigration. We haven’t swung to the right on these in over 30 years

Our line was more middle ground in the 90s. We’ve shifted left on those issues since then. And the UKs right wing is to the left of that.

That’s the game they play in the UK. Choose between our extreme left candidate or just one that is slightly left wing. Nice choices your banker elites give you peasants.

I understand that. I literally stated it to you in an earlier post...

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I'm from the UK which pretty much invented unions, socialism, workers rights, etc and a european citizen so my idea of right is probably further to the left than your idea of left.

My wealth is almost completely disengaged from the banking system. Likewise no mortgages or loans. You're strawmanning me as a banker's bitch.

[Teppler]

Jim I want you to do the same with the UK that I’ve done with the US. It will clarify this discussion. You’re better to do this because you know specifics about us better than me too.

Take 3 fields. Spending, immigration and social issues.

Take a look at how the UK was in 1995. Write down what was going on with all these 3 things.

Then compare to 2019.

Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.

Immigration? What do the numbers look like in comparison to 1995? Are you opening the borders increasingly to become liberal with immigration or the numbers staying about the same or going the other way?

Social issues? How is lgbt treated compared to 1995. Did your country shift left or right since 1995.

This will give you perspective on your country’s shift during your life time.