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Yes, I live in a but I got inner city 41 18.55%
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:03 PM
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I appreciate you want to help, but I come here for fun discussion and 'travel', not homework.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:03 PM
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Jim I want you to do the same with the UK that I’ve done with the US. It will clarify this discussion. You’re better to do this because you know specifics about us better than me too.

Take 3 fields. Spending, immigration and social issues.

Take a look at how the UK was in 1995. Write down what was going on with all these 3 things.

Then compare to 2019.

Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.

Immigration? What do the numbers look like in comparison to 1995? Are you opening the borders increasingly to become liberal with immigration or the numbers staying about the same or going the other way?

Social issues? How is lgbt treated compared to 1995. Did your country shift left or right since 1995.

This will give you perspective on your country’s shift during your life time.
This is demonstrably false.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:09 PM
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This is demonstrably false.
Nope. I know what your thinking even before you write it out. Republican =/= conservative. We have lots of establishment republicans around that act like liberals.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:10 PM
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I appreciate you want to help, but I come here for fun discussion and 'travel', not homework.
That’s fine but we aren’t going to get anywhere if we don’t dig deep beyond the surface area at some point.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:17 PM
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Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.
google growth lol
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:21 PM
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Please ban teppler, he’s really annoying and can’t spell EQ
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:58 PM
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I think minimising costs is great, but the idea that minimising spending is morally better seems too reductionist. And it's reductionist to define conservative by that one metric.

Regardless, i have my cocoa in bed we'll plod on for fun.

Spending is fine when done as investment. If you can spend a billion pounds to save or make a trillion that is good.

If you can turn an unemployable sponge that causes social harm into a productive worker that is a double win economically.

Measures of inflation are notoriously fuzzy, but the only spending that has really gone up, and not even by an order of magnitude is education, health and social protection. This is without considering the 10% population rise, which means the increase isn't so large on a per capita basis.

Without knowing how well that money was spent (which is always a worry: cronyism suggests it was put into a friends pocket via 'contracting', which is a form of conservative) I'd say these are worthwhile areas for investment (again public order, education and health). It's not like kids can pay for their own education, and getting a low wage worker of a profitable business back in the assembly line benefits the economy and reduces welfare costs.

You have to weigh the costs of not spending vs the cost of spending, right?

Something that has reduced is the wardebt was paid off. Thanks for the 'help'.

Immigration... Looking at my own house I've gone from 5/5 natives to 1/3 natives... And thats if you include ((great)grand)children of an immigrant born in the uk as native. Economically speaking workers are profitable to the economy. More workers = more profit... Not necessarily to the benefit of the commoner though. The capitalist in me sees increased opportunity for profit tbh. The nationalist in me is proud people view the country as a desirable place to live.


I don't see how a couple of my friends dicking each other in private is anything to do with the government? Regulating that is a step towards big government. Not politically conservative. Maybe socially.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:16 PM
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I think minimising costs is great, but the idea that minimising spending is morally better seems too reductionist. And it's reductionist to define conservative by that one metric.

Regardless, i have my cocoa in bed we'll plod on for fun.

Spending is fine when done as investment. If you can spend a billion pounds to save or make a trillion that is good.

If you can turn an unemployable sponge that causes social harm into a productive worker that is a double win economically.

Measures of inflation are notoriously fuzzy, but the only spending that has really gone up, and not even by an order of magnitude is education, health and social protection. This is without considering the 10% population rise, which means the increase isn't so large on a per capita basis.

Without knowing how well that money was spent (which is always a worry: cronyism suggests it was put into a friends pocket via 'contracting', which is a form of conservative) I'd say these are worthwhile areas for investment (again public order, education and health). It's not like kids can pay for their own education, and getting a low wage worker of a profitable business back in the assembly line benefits the economy and reduces welfare costs.

You have to weigh the costs of not spending vs the cost of spending, right?

Something that has reduced is the wardebt was paid off. Thanks for the 'help'.

Immigration... Looking at my own house I've gone from 5/5 natives to 1/3 natives... And thats if you include ((great)grand)children of an immigrant born in the uk as native. Economically speaking workers are profitable to the economy. More workers = more profit... Not necessarily to the benefit of the commoner though. The capitalist in me sees increased opportunity for profit tbh. The nationalist in me is proud people view the country as a desirable place to live.


I don't see how a couple of my friends dicking each other in private is anything to do with the government? Regulating that is a step towards big government. Not politically conservative. Maybe socially.
In America, cost increases associated with education and healthcare are almost entirely based on “administrative costs,” whatever that means. Basically more ass holes pushing red tape, and probably associated with private hospitals and universities as opposed to the actual government bureaucracy. It’s infuriating. That and 50% of Americans are obese diabetic slugs whose blood is more viscous than motor oil
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:17 PM
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:19 PM
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Healthcare and education costs per capita are up wonkie, I’m not talking absolute numbers I’m talking percentages
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