Classic SOE Overnerf

[Bumamgar]

Oogmog: From your sig I see that you play an Ogre Warrior. Assuming this is your main and that your comments on the experience changes are from that perspective, I want to remind you of something.

Prior to the XP fix, Racial penalties were incorrectly being applied. Specifically, Ogre's were not experiencing a 15% penalty. In fact, they were getting a 5% bonus (ie: the halfling bonus).

This has been fixed, so all Ogres basically just got a 20% nerf to their XP (going from a 5% bonus to a 15% penalty). This was a bug that had to be addressed.

Conversely, Dwarves were getting the 20% Troll penalty and Trolls were only getting the 15% Ogre penalty. Dwarves now have no penalty (ie: a 20% boost to XP) and Trolls appropriately have the 20% penalty (ie: a 5% nerf to XP). Poor halflings were getting no bonus, but now they get a 5% bonus as they should.

The point being, as an Ogre Warrior, you just went from having the best XP combination available on p1999 to near the bottom.

[mimixownzall]

How about fixing the friggin group bugs first before screwing over the hybrids from being able to get groups =(

[utenan]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about fixing the friggin group bugs first before screwing over the hybrids from being able to get groups =(

You couldn't sound more like an ingrate : )

[Oogmog]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oogmog: From your sig I see that you play an Ogre Warrior. Assuming this is your main and that your comments on the experience changes are from that perspective, I want to remind you of something.

Prior to the XP fix, Racial penalties were incorrectly being applied. Specifically, Ogre's were not experiencing a 15% penalty. In fact, they were getting a 5% bonus (ie: the halfling bonus).

This has been fixed, so all Ogres basically just got a 20% nerf to their XP (going from a 5% bonus to a 15% penalty). This was a bug that had to be addressed.

Conversely, Dwarves were getting the 20% Troll penalty and Trolls were only getting the 15% Ogre penalty. Dwarves now have no penalty (ie: a 20% boost to XP) and Trolls appropriately have the 20% penalty (ie: a 5% nerf to XP). Poor halflings were getting no bonus, but now they get a 5% bonus as they should.

The point being, as an Ogre Warrior, you just went from having the best XP combination available on p1999 to near the bottom.

I knew Ogre's xp was bugged, I even messaged Devs before(Was outleveling a cleric buddy and it made no sense). However, while I plan to play him as my main, he's only level 35 and my druid is 50. However, an Ogre Warrior isn't near the bottom .. with a 10% bonus and a 15% penalty, that should equate to only a 5% penalty, correct? I have no complaints that Ogre's experience is fixed, because it was borked and I was well aware of it and my complaints aren't directed at that.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Oogmog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I knew Ogre's xp was bugged, I even messaged Devs before(Was outleveling a cleric buddy and it made no sense). However, while I plan to play him as my main, he's only level 35 and my druid is 50. However, an Ogre Warrior isn't near the bottom .. with a 10% bonus and a 15% penalty, that should equate to only a 5% penalty, correct? I have no complaints that Ogre's experience is fixed, because it was borked and I was well aware of it and my complaints aren't directed at that.

20% swing: They had a 5% bonus, and were not getting their 15% penalty. The XP shift is -20%.

[Oogmog]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

20% swing: They had a 5% bonus, and were not getting their 15% penalty. The XP shift is -20%.

Think you're misinterpreting... he said ogre warriors were in the most ideal situation but now are close to the end as far as experience modifiers go. We were 15% bonus, now 5% penalty. Int casters still have more of a penalty than Ogre Warriors.


EDIT: Also, as noted earlier, it said Ogre's had the same modifier as halflings but halflings in fact had no modifier, so wouldn't it have just been a 10% bonus and now a 5% penalty? Regardless, I knew it was messed up and not once did I mention that as a complaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[holkan]

Originally Posted by Oogmog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think you're misinterpreting... he said ogre warriors were in the most ideal situation but now are close to the end as far as experience modifiers go. We were 15% bonus, now 5% penalty. Int casters still have more of a penalty than Ogre Warriors.


EDIT: Also, as noted earlier, it said Ogre's had the same modifier as halflings but halflings in fact had no modifier, so wouldn't it have just been a 10% bonus and now a 5% penalty? Regardless, I knew it was messed up and not once did I mention that as a complaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the penalties arent additive they're multiplicative so you and I believe with the halfing thing he was saying you were actually getting the halfing bonus not what halfings got on the server.

[Oogmog]

Originally Posted by holkan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the penalties arent additive they're multiplicative so you and I believe with the halfing thing he was saying you were actually getting the halfing bonus not what halfings got on the server.

Gotcha, but again like I've said in my previous two posts, this is not what I am concerned with. This is a legit fix that needed to be done.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Specifically, Ogre's were not experiencing a 15% penalty. In fact, they were getting a 5% bonus (ie: the halfling bonus).

This has been fixed, so all Ogres basically just got a 20% nerf to their XP (going from a 5% bonus to a 15% penalty). This was a bug that had to be addressed.

You were at a 5% bonus and now at a 15% negative with regard to racial.

[Kreigore]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were at a 5% bonus and now at a 15% negative with regard to racial.

As an Ogre Warrior, he should be at -5% overall (with regard to racial and class modifiers), right?