Why is America so prudish? (might contain NSFW stuff?!)

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Teppler is saying the church runs these countries or anything like that, rather the church's soft influence shapes the morality of the country... Right T?

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

Ah good, at least sometimes i get a read on you right [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You raise a good point on what ARE Christian values? You think a message of love and respect would be simple but there have been so many schisms. Orthodox, catholic, protestant, hell even atheistic christianity?

The idea that there is a single unified Judeo-Christian value system that has ever existed in the history of western civilization is just a myth spread by various rightwing evangelists like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I think I explained that exact point pretty well in my last post.

I think that soft power of the church is really important. There seems to be a critical mass where christian values can be encouraged as the social norm, even in those who never had or renounced their theism.

I know many who were raised as Christians, but lost their faith but still ascribe value to a core message of the New Testament (love ... )

I guess it's like those kids who lose their faith in santa but still strive to be nice rather than naughty.

[Teppler]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that there is a single unified Judeo-Christian value system that has ever existed in the history of western civilization is just a myth spread by various rightwing evangelists like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.

It's so much fun when my mother in law comes to church in England. Her father was an orthodox priest in Lesvos. Pretty much everything that happens in the church has her muttering "heresia" in Greek under her breath. It's a good job she didn't have the English language skill to recognise the point to announce objections in the wedding ceremony!

Apparently pipe organs are particularly heretical. I always imagine her head over those "what heresy is this?!" warhammer memes.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

Supporting girls and women that fall pregnant outside of wedlock?

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you think about it, what Christian values does your society run by? Name em. I think you'll be hard pressed.

I like your song and dance. Lol[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just misunderstood you then. It seemed you were arguing being atheist is anathema to morality on every level. My apologies if you weren't intended to be so absolute.

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[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You raise a good point on what ARE Christian values? You think a message of love and respect would be simple but there have been so many schisms. Orthodox, catholic, protestant, hell even atheistic christianity?

Anti degeneracy, anti usury, fear of god. Try that for starters. We fail on all accounts.