Should I give this guy my Fishbone Earring?

[Droog007]

This is only my 3rd Fishbone Earring on P99 (or even on Live, for that matter), but what I've learned from my time camping him is this: If you don't know within a pretty narrow span of time that he is going to spawn, you're really camping a logged timestamp so you can be paying attention at the correct moment for the next spawn. This is what I've been doing these last few days, in an effort to score an earring for a new alt. During this time, I encountered Eivy, L60 epic ranger from <Fires of Heaven>, also trying to bag Hadden.

[Sun Jul 17 01:02:48 2016] Eivy regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Sun Jul 17 01:09:37 2016] Eivy says, 'hello can I help you?'
[Sun Jul 17 01:32:44 2016] Eivy tells you, 'hadden is camped.'

[Sun Jul 17 02:50:58 2016] Hadden says 'Ah.. (spawn #1 engaged)
[Sun Jul 17 10:03:49 2016] Hadden says 'Ah.. (spawn #2 engaged)
[Sun Jul 17 16:26:57 2016] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. (spawn #3 killed, exact time of death known)

So I logged in at Hadden camp about 18 minutes prior to the spawn. I see Eivy is there again. I decided that since he was there first, I'll give him a 20-count before I start casting my 6.1 second nuke, and if he engages Hadden before I have the kill locked up with a second nuke, I'll cancel it and let him have the kill. This is more of a grace period than I would expect to be given if I were in his shoes - if you want exclusive access to a mob, you have to be actively camping it. This is what I've read from the CSR guys again and again, and I believe it's fair.

Hadden spawns, with no fishing pole, at the expected time:
(~Sun Jul 17 22:26:57 2016)

Here's the log of the battle:

[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 500 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:32 2016] Hadden's skin burns away.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden bashes YOU for 6 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:33 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:35 2016] You begin casting Drain Soul.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:36 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:36 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:39 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:39 2016] Hadden hits YOU for 53 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:41 2016] Your spell is interrupted.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:41 2016] Hadden bashes YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:42 2016] Hadden hits YOU for 10 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:42 2016] You begin casting Drain Soul.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:43 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:43 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:45 2016] Hadden tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:47 2016] Your Ignite Bones spell has worn off.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:48 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Vaegar beams a smile at Hadden
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Vaegar says 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 338 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden staggers.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:49 2016] Hadden tries to kick YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy tries to slash Hadden, but misses! (54 seconds after the spawn, by my estimate)
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 15 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 41 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:51 2016] Eivy kicks Hadden for 24 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] You begin casting Ignite Bones.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] You haven't recovered yet...
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:52 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 50 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 29 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:53 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Hadden tries to punch YOU, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Hadden punches YOU for 5 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 62 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy tries to slash Hadden, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 51 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:54 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:55 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 37 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 31 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 36 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 11 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 13 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:56 2016] Eivy tries to kick Hadden, but misses!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Eivy slashes Hadden for 67 points of damage.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Hadden has been slain by Eivy!
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos could not possibly get any worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:57 2016] Eivy begins to move faster.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:58 2016] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Sun Jul 17 22:27:58 2016] You try to cast a spell on Haddenscorpse, but they are protected.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:03 2016] You receive 1 platinum, 4 gold, 5 silver and 3 copper from the corpse.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:04 2016] --You have looted a Fishbone Earring.--
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:22 2016] It will take you about 30 seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:25 2016] Eivy says, 'petitioned'
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:26 2016] It will take about 25 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:31 2016] It will take about 20 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:34 2016] You told Eivy, 'I gave you about 30 seconds ... just a little too AFK'
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:36 2016] It will take about 15 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:41 2016] It will take about 10 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:46 2016] It will take about 5 more seconds to prepare your camp.
[Sun Jul 17 22:28:52 2016] Eivy tells you, 'camp stealing is frowned apon'

And the ensuing conversation, after I logged over to the rogue project:

[Sun Jul 17 22:37:49 2016] You told eivy, 'if a GM rules that I didn't wait long enough before engaging Hadden to respect your camp, then I'll give you the earring. But I gave you a 20 count and then started casting a 6-second spell... you engaged 19 seconds later '
[Sun Jul 17 22:39:24 2016] You told eivy, 'which makes you about 40 seconds late to the party... the rules I've read state that if you want to lay claim to a mob you have to engage them quickly... if that's quick enough in their eyes, then so be it.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:41:25 2016] You told eivy, 'Hadden's been killed many times when I was AFK at that camp, I didn't petition any of those folks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Sun Jul 17 22:41:39 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you stole the mob ive been camping and if you gonna try to throw the rule book well you have to wait 20 mins then you can engage if not taken'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:00 2016] You told Eivy, 'where's 20 minutes documented?'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:26 2016] Eivy tells you, 'Its that way for stormfeather'
[Sun Jul 17 22:42:39 2016] Eivy tells you, 'and any other mob thats being held as a camp'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:04 2016] You told Eivy, 'see, I don't really think that's the case .. it needs to scale with the spawn time'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:23 2016] Eivy tells you, 'if not engaged the next person in line has the right to take it.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:46 2016] Eivy tells you, 'not after 20 or 30 seconds. you basicly stole my mob which is petitionable'
[Sun Jul 17 22:43:59 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you have to wait longer .'
[Sun Jul 17 22:44:02 2016] You told Eivy, 'that's fine, if you get a response direct them to me'
[Sun Jul 17 22:44:40 2016] You told Eivy, 'I would expect the same treatment ... it's a 0 variance timer. It's not difficult to get the timer and know exactly when to be paying attention'
[Sun Jul 17 22:48:25 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you think you can just come and sit in someone camp and kill there mob theyve been camping you got another thing comming. '
[Sun Jul 17 22:48:59 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you are wrong so ill be speaking to your GL aswell'
[Sun Jul 17 22:49:06 2016] You told Eivy, 'lol ... you can't be AFK in the vicinity of a spawn point and call it "camping" now, can you? In that case I had my Hadden stolen about 5 times in the last few days'
[Sun Jul 17 22:49:41 2016] Eivy tells you, 'so you think cause yours got stolen you can do that to other people? what a prick.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:11 2016] You told Eivy, 'I saw you there. I knew you were attempting to get the spawn - but you were not paying attention at the critical moment. This is a burden that is upon the camper. Camping a spawn comes with responsibilities'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:30 2016] You told Eivy, 'no, I'm saying it's not theft if the "camper" is AFK.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:50:50 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you dont be a prick and steal someones mob theyve been camping that just plain out fucked up and rude shows what kinda of a person you are'
[Sun Jul 17 22:51:38 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob'
[Sun Jul 17 22:51:39 2016] You told Eivy, 'I've also been "camping" it for a few days now... I just played it smart and knew when to be on the ball.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:01 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:03 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt even of been near my camp at all . you saw I was here so you should of left not stayed to gank my mob!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:06 2016] You told Eivy, 'no... people AFK there all the time to obtain the timer'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:14 2016] You told Eivy, 'that does not entitle them to the next spawn'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:30 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you shouldnt of even been here at my fucking camp !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:44 2016] Eivy tells you, 'only reason you were is to steal the mob cause you had the timer !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:52:55 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you are wrong!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:04 2016] You told Eivy, 'I can be anywhere in Norrath ... you don't get exclusive rights to an area of the world.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:05 2016] Eivy tells you, 'thats camp stealing ! period!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:30 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you came in and took a mob that was being camped by someone . you are wrong period!'
[Sun Jul 17 22:53:42 2016] You told Eivy, 'I gave you what I would consider to be enough time to engage the mob if you were actually "camping" it, by my definition of camping.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:11 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you gave me shit and killed my mob! 20 or 30 seconds are you kidding me? you are wrong'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:23 2016] You told Eivy, 'as I've said - if someone did the same thing to me, I would not be the slightest bit rankled'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:23 2016] Eivy tells you, 'thats camp stealing !'
[Sun Jul 17 22:54:36 2016] You told Eivy, 'that's for GMs to decide'
[Sun Jul 17 22:55:16 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you have made yourself and your guild look bad. good job ! ill be getting to the bottem of this. '
[Sun Jul 17 22:55:26 2016] You told Eivy, 'even if you had engaged the mob within a few seconds of spawning, I would have wanted to be there so that I could know the precise time of death for the next cycle.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:57:06 2016] Eivy tells you, 'you stole the mob and earring ive been camping. you are wrong for doing so return the earring before I make your eq life hell.'
[Sun Jul 17 22:58:34 2016] You told Eivy, 'sorry ... as I've said, if the GMs think I didn't wait long enough - that's fine.'

So what do you guys think? Eivy turned this over to the GMs via a petition, and also /tellblasted my guildleader (Dulas of Azure Guard) just like he indicated he would - but if the community can convince me I was in the wrong, I'll hand the earring to Eivy and resume the hunt.

[Evia]

I don't think Eivy was actively camping the mob. Therefore the mob was fair game imho.

[Pokesan]

this is disgusting

[Spyder73]

I think you are both sick men for still camping Hadden

[Sodors Finest Poster]

We need a new subforum category for lawyer questing.

Maybe add polls that would lead to a community-lead arbitration ruling.

[FatMice]

Whoever has a paler skin complexion wins.

Commence posting pictures.

[Cecily]

I had the name Eivy on my first ranger here. Deleted her at like level 14 or so. I'm inclined to back OP on this, but would side with Eivy if she got the KS. Should always keep calefaction loaded for this type of stuff.

[Sorn]

Turning this over to community 'decision' after it's already a petition is bad form.

Let the GMs and your guild leader sort it out.

[gprater]

Since you asked for opinions:

If i come to a camp and someone is there, I leave. That person was there first. I wouldnt try and take by using a time limit (real or imagined) I would move on and play the game.

/only comment on this

[Jay F Kay]

You're all just ONE Pabst Blue Ribbon away........




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