As a christian.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very last bit of advice would be if OP is actually serious which I honestly can't tell for this one.

Go speak to your trusted advisor in whatever faith you prescribe.

If you don't have a priest/rabbi/something like that then talk to the person who shares your beliefs that you most admire and is good an communicating with you.

Someone you would listen to.

If all that is something you have no interest in then try this: When was the last time you laughed? Go watch a killer standup comedy and laugh your brains out. Works wonders.

This is sound advice indeed,as the world grows (thankfully) more secular, we will see a hardening of the old cadre trying to justify their existence into a world that is more and more alien to them.

One of the takes for the future I gave a passing nod , was the one spoused in the chinese sci fi novel Three Body Problem, that will soon have its own series, about how in the future, we will see a culture so distant from what is the norm now that they have to literally keep people from the past frozen to deal with certain problems that futuristic societies wont know how to deal with.

There was even a very old Twilight Zone (1980s version) chapter that more or less also proposed that certain societies in the future will need due to a variety of reasons, people from ages past as their uniquely skewed view of reality is needed to solve certain problems in post-scarcity worlds.

I believe we are on that particular point in time where as humanity we need better values than the ones spoused by old religions and previous to post-postmodernist philosophies.

Any philosophy that is not rooted in the new soon to be normal of the Post-Postmodernism mindset is simply too old to deal with the rapid advances in technology and growing luddite behavior of some reactionary groups that with the lack of better alternatives fall back into old tropes of thought no longer relevant.





And a small simple take on Post-Postmodernism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I will pick up sticks today.

Pick up sticks and jacks favors the able bodied, dextrous, and nimble. I don't know if today's kids could commit to such a laboursome game without a living wage of sticker books: not coloring books, and mini memo pads, with animal-shaped erasers, as a sort of reward system for their participation.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Watch supernatural, it's heretical, butt there's a complex personality for u

Jealousy of G-d and his Creation(s) is satans MO

he hates humans because G-d loves them and looks after them and gives us a chance at redemption where as Satan thinks we should all be destroyed because we are beyond redemption and imperfect (like "he is perfect").

To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by Vormotus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be honest, The Adversary is in short a Servant of the Creator that is tasked to incentivize the natural evil inclination native and 100% natural to man, he hates us as much as 0, and in very old hebrew texts he even loathes the job.

The Satan you describe is a modern retelling of the Milton one (which in turn is a further reconstruction of the dark ages adversary, which in turn was a corruption of the Demiruge/Yaldabaoth of the mediterranean gnostics during the 1st Century CE), that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the original idea of the "Enemy" and so abused by Hollywood to be able to give a modicum of backstory to their horror blockbuster films.

This whole notion of demiplanes filled to the brim with demons is also more asian than european, as on this side we actually had quite entertaining and fully flawed gods, godlings and fickle entities.

Christianity on the whole, specially the USA versions that spawned there, are quite frankly literal fanfiction converted into canon (not leaving catholicism behind, which has a metric truckload of bad takes, made to convenience exegesis and a lot of very much human, and not demonic, corruption, greed and need to control behind it).

It is better to be an optmistic nihilist than a fervent believer in a demon spawned hellscape on earth, but again, thats is my own take.

It is honestly entertaining though, and I wish you peace and happiness. Also the internet is not a very good place to discuss these beliefs, as you will find as many adherents as detractors. Not very healthy either.

It is my sincere wish you find peace, both here and in the afterlife you believe in, life is too short to get lost in minutiae of dogma and spend it cloistered behind mental prison bars where only other inmates of the same prison can come visit in.

Be well man, super hug to you.

Again, this is more or less my take, it would be terrible to live in a world where man made demons, like Vancian ones from Dying Earth have rule or sway over creation, but hey, everyone is free to believe in their own backstory of choice.

I fully respect everyones opinion on the issue.

Speaking of the middle age, have you ever read Nicholas of Cusa? There's quite a few errors and oversights in your synopsis. Ultimately, the mythological structure of Christianity is an evolution of Platonism, Pythagoreanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism, with a little Hellenism mixed in.

But it goes something like this; in Plato's Theory of Forms, there exists a realm of perfection above this lesser planet of existence where pure and perfected concepts exist in relation to each other as "Forms".

Coming to understand the nature of these Ideals (Forms) can be approached through dialectical reasoning; dialectics of the Grecian sort, not the modern repivot of Hegel et al, mind you.

So we can take a conceptual form like "Pride" and attempt to discern exactly what pride is by assessing how pride is personified or exemplified, and how these exemplifications are projected outward onto others.

Pride is personified in Arrogance and Ignorance. Arrogance is a hautiness or sense of betterness than others, and ignorance is a characteristic which belies a lack of understanding in some arena or another.

We can see Pride is others, but what are the signifiers that point us towards it's identification in those possessing pride?

The mind is a sort of inverse mirror, so we don't actually see a person's arrogance or ignorance directly, in most situations, but we can quickly ascertain a person who is prideful as being prideful so there must be actions or tells the prideful person reveals to us through other venues which tips us off....

The ignorance of pride tips itself off by boasting of its knowledge, which it Lords over others, so if we position pride as central to an axiom, at the Origin, with arrogance and ignorance as neighbors on a pundit square to it's left, then on the square diagonal from Ignorance, Knowledge resides as its inverse or Syzygial opposite

Likewise, if arrogance is a sense of betterness or "strongerness", it's syzygial opposite is weakness, which is cast out by the arrogantly prideful person, onto others, so we identify a person imbibing "Pride" by their Lording of knowledge over others, and their attempts to properly themselves above others who they eschew as Weaker than them.

Arrogance---------\|/--------Knowledge
---------------------Pride-------------------
Ignorance---------/|\---------Weakness

In Pythagoreanism, this construct representing pride is a pyramidal structure with four bases and Pride at the apex of the tetrad.

The same extrapolation can be applied to Shame, in that shame is personified or exemplified as Ignorance and Failure (Sin, missing the mark) and projected as Weakness and Humiliation which the ashamed attempts to ignore.

Ignorance---------\|/---------Weakness
--------------------Shame------------------
Sin(failure)--------/|\--------Humiliation


So the Tetrad of Shame shares to bases with Pride making it only a half-opposite, and modern psychologists would agree that Pride is merely subconsciously repressed Shame, both of which are aspects of Jungian ego.

Proverbs 11:2 states with pride comes disgrace (shame), but with the humble comes Wisdom, thereby showing this relation was already known in wisdom texts of the ancient past.

Humility as a Form can be mapped with the following Pythagorean tetrad:

Strength-----------\|/-------Awareness
-------------------Humility----------------
Humiliation-------/|\----------Patience


And wisdom with the following Tetrad:

Knowledge-------\|/----------Success
-------------------Wisdom---------------
Strength-----------/|\-------Awareness


And these four Tetrads form the base of a higher tetrad; one of the Prime Tetrads in philosophy; Truth

Pride--------------\|/------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth-------Strength
Shame------------/|\-------Humility

But if we rotate the prime tetrad of Truth 90 degrees to see how Wisdom and Pride relate, or how Shame and Humility relate, we see an interesting relation;

Ignorance-------\|/----------Arrrogance
-------------------Pride---------------
Courage---------/|\-------Knowledge
Courage---------\|/-------Knowledge
------------------Wisdom----------------
Awareness-------/|\---------Strength

The differential between Weakness and Strength amalgamizes into Courage, for prideful and foolhardy courage is a weakness, where as wise and valorous courage is Strength.

Likewise between humility and shame, the amalgamation of strength and weakness becomes Vulnerability, as weakness earnestly sought to the point of failure builds strength through experience.

This means that philosophical Truth and Experience are very closely related, with Experience existing at center on the pyramidal tetrad that lines up with the tetrad of Truth, sharing four bases with Truth, like an octahedron

Octahedron.jpg

[Landroval]

Now, with this relation established, and reflected in Jungian psychology as follows:

Conscious-Ego------\|/—-Conscious-Self
-----------------Archetypal-Mind---------------
Subconscious-Ego-/|\-Subconscious-Self

Conscious-Ego------\|/—-Conscious-Self
-----------------Shadow-Mind---------------
Subconscious-Ego-/|\-Subconscious-Self



Now, to relate this back to Christianity and the concept of "The Devil.

If you draw a line connected Pride to Weakness, and a line from Weakness to Shame, this forms an Angle, which is anthropomorphized into an "Angel" and we call that Angel Satan or Lucifer, as elements of Truth and Experience which LACK truth and deny experience.

Likewise if we connect Humility Strength and Wisdom we form an Angle which we call the Angel Michael, as possessing Truth and acknowledging the veracity of Experience.

These Angels as aspects or angles of the totality of the Godhead and form the fundamental basis for Mind (Psyche, or Soul) and are reflected in physics and mathematics as well.


https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/31864316/#31864316

----------------- (Nous) ----------------
--------------(knowledge)----------------
Pride--------------▼------------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth----------Strength
Shame------------▲------------Humility
Luciferian<---(Christ)--->MiChaElian
--------------- (Ennoia) -----------------

------------------------- (Photon) ----------------
Electromagnetism -----▼--------------- Heat
(Electron) ------------ Energy ----- (Phonon)
Gravity --------------------▲------------ Sound
------------------------ (Graviton) ----------------

-------------------(cos*sin)-----------------
Cosine--------------▼---------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------▲------------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-----------------


This recurring pattern is what the Greek forerunners of Christianity referred to as "The Logos" of the universe, which Christianity purports to have been incarnated into this lesser realm in the personhood of Jesus of Nazareth.

[Landroval]

This is also where the Ethos behind John 14:6 comes from when Jesus declares he is The Way (The entire Dao; good and bad) The Truth (the Omphalos of Platonic Idealism) and the Life (The Prahna) is derived. Reality being the thoughtforms of God-Mind.

[Trexller]

that isn't math, nor coherent in any discipline

put the LSD DOWN

[arvidez]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lilith. Wonder if that word is even the origin of Lies, Could be !

ive believed lilith to be untamable nature. in one story she flies into the air, and another has her fleeing to "the gorge of the sea". both unreachable by man.

have never considered her active. i have to obsess now. thx

[Trexller]

Lilith is Athena, and she hated it here so she GTFO

so then we were stick with Walmart Melania (Eve) whos woman brain couldn't comprehend the rules of nature (gender roles)

[Landroval]

The reason why pride and shame, which lack truth, are included in the axiom of Truth, is because truth is what resides "in between" pride and humility. False pride belies Humility, and False Humility IS pride. In basic algebra we learn every sum has at least two sets of square-roots, the positive square-roots, and the negative-square roots.

I.e. 4 = 2^2, and (-2)^2

In Trugonometry, we learn the Trigonometric identity property;

1(^2) = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)


>Special Relativity
E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (c√p)^2
E^2 = (m*c/g)^2 + (√(pc/g))^2
E^2 = (m/g^2)^2 + (g√p)^2

>Let E=C; Let mc^2 = A; let c√p = B

>Pythagorean Theorem
C^2 = A^2 + B^2

>Let C = 1, Let A = cos(x), Let B = sin(x)

>Trigonometric Identity Property
1^2 = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)
1^2 = 1/sec^2(x) + 1/csc^2(x)
1^2 = sin(x)/csc(x) + cos(x)/sec(x)

>Let 1= Truth; Let sin(x) = Pride; csc(x) = Humility; Let cos(x) = Shame; sec(x) = Wisdom
>Truth^2 = Pride/Humility + Shame/Wisdom
Pride^2 = Arrogance/Weakness + Ignorance/Knowledge
Shame^2 = Ignorance/Humiliation + Weakness/Failure
Humility^2 = Strength/Patience + Humiliation/Awareness
Wisdom^2 = Awareness/Knowledge + Strength/Success